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Both these found in Springfield's Macuvite Capsules (£17.99 for 30 capsules) from The Nutri Centre, 0800 587 2290 which contain a high enough dose of both the above agents to provide the protection you need. Take as directed on the bottle. I got this off my parents today .. they'd seen it in some newspaper article about macular odema. Would anyone else like to comment or offer an opinion before i go and get a tub. Patrick
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Patrick wrote in message <5-Kcncs6O6NgT4vdSa8jmA~karoo.co.uk... Both these found in Springfield's Macuvite Capsules (£17.99 for 30 capsules) from The Nutri Centre, 0800 587 2290 which contain a high enough dose of both the above agents to provide the protection you need. Take as directed on the bottle. I got this off my parents today .. they'd seen it in some newspaper article about macular odema. Would anyone else like to comment or offer an opinion before i go and get a tub. Patrick We had a speech by an Opthamalogist at our last Type 2 Diabetic Support Group Meeting. He recommended Ocuvite for Macular Degeneration. Ocuvite contains more than "two important" ingredients. It is one of the few vitamin supplements which has demonstrated favorable effects on Macular Degeneration. Ocuvite sells for about USD $15 per month. A blurb on the ingredients from the Ocuvite manuf. web site states that: ". . . .Ocuvite vitamin and mineral supplements now contain 2 mg of Lutein. That is 8 times more than is in Centrum or Centrum Silver. Ocuvite also has higher levels of vitamins C and E than before. And it has vitamin A, as well as the minerals zinc, selenium and copper. Lutein is a beneficial carotenoid found mostly in leafy green vegetables to help maintain ocular health. Antioxidants are important because they are believed to reduce the effects of free radicals, unstable molecules that are believed to play a role in the development of cataracts, and age-related macular degeneration. . . ." I have no idea of what is in Macuvite but I would first check to see how it compares with Ocuvite. I trust Ocuvite a bit more right now because, as I said, it was recommended by an Opthamologist while speaking to a Diabetic Support Group about eye problems, i.e. no ads, no commercial interests, no public relations agents, just a highly skilled eye doctor. Regards Old Al
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oldal4865 <oldal4865~yahoo.com wrote: : Patrick wrote in message : <5-Kcncs6O6NgT4vdSa8jmA~karoo.co.uk... : Both these found in Springfield's Macuvite Capsules : (?17.99 for 30 : capsules) : from The Nutri Centre, 0800 587 2290 which contain a high : enough dose of both the above agents to provide the : protection you need. Take as directed on the bottle. : : I got this off my parents today .. they'd seen it in : some newspaper article about macular odema. Would anyone : else like to comment or offer an opinion before i go and : get a tub. : : Patrick : : : We had a speech by an Opthamalogist at our last Type 2 : Diabetic Support Group Meeting. : He recommended Ocuvite for Macular Degeneration. : Ocuvite contains more than "two important" ingredients. It : is one of the few vitamin supplements which has demonstrated : favorable effects on Macular Degeneration. : Ocuvite sells for about USD $15 per month. : A blurb on the ingredients from the Ocuvite manuf. web site : states that: : ". . . .Ocuvite vitamin and mineral supplements now contain : 2 mg of Lutein. That is 8 times more than is in Centrum or : Centrum Silver. Ocuvite also has higher levels of vitamins C : and E than before. And it has vitamin A, as well as the : minerals zinc, selenium and copper. : Lutein is a beneficial carotenoid found mostly in leafy : green vegetables to help maintain ocular health. : Antioxidants are important because they are believed to : reduce the effects of free radicals, unstable molecules that : are believed to play a role in the development of cataracts, : and age-related macular degeneration. . . ." : I have no idea of what is in Macuvite but I would first : check to see how it compares with Ocuvite. I trust Ocuvite a : bit more right now because, as I said, it was recommended by : an Opthamologist while speaking to a Diabetic Support Group : about eye problems, i.e. no ads, no commercial interests, no : public relations agents, just a highly skilled eye doctor. : Regards : Old Al I tried Occuvite at my opthamologist's sugestion. Unfortunately, in conjuction with the metformin and other meds I regularly take it caused me to have gastric problems. I then tried a half dose and still had the same problem so I had to discontinue it. Wendy
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"W. Baker" <wbaker~panix.com wrote in message news:bv6sim$lq9$1~reader2.panix.com... oldal4865 <oldal4865~yahoo.com wrote: : Patrick wrote in message : <5-Kcncs6O6NgT4vdSa8jmA~karoo.co.uk... : Both these found in Springfield's Macuvite Capsules : (?17.99 for 30 : capsules) : from The Nutri Centre, 0800 587 2290 which contain a high : enough dose of : both the above agents to provide the protection you need. : Take as directed : on the bottle. : : I got this off my parents today .. they'd seen it in some : newspaper article : about macular odema. Would anyone else like to comment or : offer an opinion : before i go and get a tub. : : Patrick : : : We had a speech by an Opthamalogist at our last Type 2 : Diabetic Support : Group Meeting. : He recommended Ocuvite for Macular Degeneration. : Ocuvite contains more than "two important" ingredients. It : is one of the : few vitamin supplements which has demonstrated favorable : effects on Macular : Degeneration. : Ocuvite sells for about USD $15 per month. : A blurb on the ingredients from the Ocuvite manuf. web : site states that: : ". . . .Ocuvite vitamin and mineral supplements now : contain 2 mg of Lutein. : That is 8 times more than is in Centrum or Centrum Silver. : Ocuvite also has : higher levels of vitamins C and E than before. And it has : vitamin A, as well : as the minerals zinc, selenium and copper. : Lutein is a beneficial carotenoid found mostly in leafy : green vegetables to : help maintain ocular health. : Antioxidants are important because they are believed to : reduce the effects : of free radicals, unstable molecules that are believed to : play a role in the : development of cataracts, and age-related macular : degeneration. . . ." : I have no idea of what is in Macuvite but I would first : check to see how it : compares with Ocuvite. I trust Ocuvite a bit more right : now because, as I : said, it was recommended by an Opthamologist while : speaking to a Diabetic : Support Group about eye problems, i.e. no ads, no : commercial interests, no : public relations agents, just a highly skilled eye doctor. : Regards : Old Al I tried Occuvite at my opthamologist's sugestion. Unfortunately, in conjuction with the metformin and other meds I regularly take it caused me to have gastric problems. I then tried a half dose and still had the same problem so I had to discontinue it. Wendy There is an easier way. Get all the things that are in the pills from natural food sources. After all, you've got to eat anyway! And the best food sources are low carb, high fibre and just plain good for you. Annette (Who reversed HER macular degeneration that way).
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I gather Zeaxanthin is not something you can gain easily in sufficient quantities from natural sources. Thanks for the info guys, i'm going to get me a tub and see what happens. -- Type 1 Diabetic. Dx'd 1993. On 26u Lantus and whatever Novorapid my meter says i need. "Annette" <acianthus~bigpond.com wrote in message news:bv7sgh$oo0qv$1~ID-194908.news.uni-berlin.de... "W. Baker" <wbaker~panix.com wrote in message news:bv6sim$lq9$1~reader2.panix.com... oldal4865 <oldal4865~yahoo.com wrote: : Patrick wrote in message : <5-Kcncs6O6NgT4vdSa8jmA~karoo.co.uk... : Both these found in Springfield's Macuvite Capsules : (?17.99 for 30 : capsules) : from The Nutri Centre, 0800 587 2290 which contain a : high enough dose of : both the above agents to provide the protection you : need. Take as directed : on the bottle. : : I got this off my parents today .. they'd seen it in : some newspaper article : about macular odema. Would anyone else like to comment : or offer an opinion : before i go and get a tub. : : Patrick : : : We had a speech by an Opthamalogist at our last Type : 2 Diabetic Support : Group Meeting. : He recommended Ocuvite for Macular Degeneration. : Ocuvite contains more than "two important" ingredients. : It is one of the : few vitamin supplements which has demonstrated favorable : effects on Macular : Degeneration. : Ocuvite sells for about USD $15 per month. : A blurb on the ingredients from the Ocuvite manuf. web : site states that: : ". . . .Ocuvite vitamin and mineral supplements now : contain 2 mg of Lutein. : That is 8 times more than is in Centrum or Centrum : Silver. Ocuvite also has : higher levels of vitamins C and E than before. And it : has vitamin A, as well : as the minerals zinc, selenium and copper. : Lutein is a beneficial carotenoid found mostly in leafy : green vegetables to : help maintain ocular health. : Antioxidants are important because they are believed to : reduce the effects : of free radicals, unstable molecules that are believed : to play a role in the : development of cataracts, and age-related macular : degeneration. . . ." : I have no idea of what is in Macuvite but I would first : check to see how it : compares with Ocuvite. I trust Ocuvite a bit more : right now because, as I : said, it was recommended by an Opthamologist while : speaking to a Diabetic : Support Group about eye problems, i.e. no ads, no : commercial interests, no : public relations agents, just a highly skilled eye : doctor. : Regards : Old Al I tried Occuvite at my opthamologist's sugestion. Unfortunately, in conjuction with the metformin and other meds I regularly take it caused me to have gastric problems. I then tried a half dose and still had the same problem so I had to discontinue it. Wendy There is an easier way. Get all the things that are in the pills from natural food sources. After all, you've got to eat anyway! And the best food sources are low carb, high fibre and just plain good for you. Annette (Who reversed HER macular degeneration that way).
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"Annette" <acianthus~bigpond.com wrote in message news:bv7sgh$oo0qv$1~ID-194908.news.uni-berlin.de... "W. Baker" <wbaker~panix.com wrote in message news:bv6sim$lq9$1~reader2.panix.com... oldal4865 <oldal4865~yahoo.com wrote: : Patrick wrote in message : <5-Kcncs6O6NgT4vdSa8jmA~karoo.co.uk... : Both these found in Springfield's Macuvite Capsules : (?17.99 for 30 : capsules) : from The Nutri Centre, 0800 587 2290 which contain a : high enough dose of : both the above agents to provide the protection you : need. Take as directed : on the bottle. : : I got this off my parents today .. they'd seen it in : some newspaper article : about macular odema. Would anyone else like to comment : or offer an opinion : before i go and get a tub. : : Patrick : : : We had a speech by an Opthamalogist at our last Type : 2 Diabetic Support : Group Meeting. : He recommended Ocuvite for Macular Degeneration. : Ocuvite contains more than "two important" ingredients. : It is one of the : few vitamin supplements which has demonstrated favorable : effects on Macular : Degeneration. : Ocuvite sells for about USD $15 per month. : A blurb on the ingredients from the Ocuvite manuf. web : site states that: : ". . . .Ocuvite vitamin and mineral supplements now : contain 2 mg of Lutein. : That is 8 times more than is in Centrum or Centrum : Silver. Ocuvite also has : higher levels of vitamins C and E than before. And it : has vitamin A, as well : as the minerals zinc, selenium and copper. : Lutein is a beneficial carotenoid found mostly in leafy : green vegetables to : help maintain ocular health. : Antioxidants are important because they are believed to : reduce the effects : of free radicals, unstable molecules that are believed : to play a role in the : development of cataracts, and age-related macular : degeneration. . . ." : I have no idea of what is in Macuvite but I would first : check to see how it : compares with Ocuvite. I trust Ocuvite a bit more : right now because, as I : said, it was recommended by an Opthamologist while : speaking to a Diabetic : Support Group about eye problems, i.e. no ads, no : commercial interests, no : public relations agents, just a highly skilled eye : doctor. : Regards : Old Al I tried Occuvite at my opthamologist's sugestion. Unfortunately, in conjuction with the metformin and other meds I regularly take it caused me to have gastric problems. I then tried a half dose and still had the same problem so I had to discontinue it. Wendy There is an easier way. Get all the things that are in the pills from natural food sources. After all, you've got to eat anyway! And the best food sources are low carb, high fibre and just plain good for you. Annette (Who reversed HER macular degeneration that way). After posting the above, I realised that a bit more information would be helpful. So I thought it might be a good idea to post some of the food sources for the ingredients mentioned. That way people can choose the ones that suit their own taste or degree of availablity. There may, of course, be other food sources not listed here, I just took those listed at: http://www.hypoglyc- emia.asn.au/articles/rich_sources_nutrients.html 1. Beta carotene: (Converts to Vitamin A). Apricots, asparagus, watercress, avocados, beet root greens, broccoli, Brussels sprout, rockmelon (cantaloupe), carrots, chard, chili peppers, yellow corn, cress, pink grapefruit, greens (mustard, turnip, beet, collard etc), kale, lettuce, butterhead or Romaine lettuce, mandarin oranges, mangoes, papayas, parsley, peaches, bell peppers, plums, pumpkins, tangerines, spinach, squash, winter squash, sweet potatoes, tomatoes and water melon. 2. Copper: Calf and beef liver, Brazil nuts, pickled cucumber, cashews, oysters, lobster, avocado, almonds, hazelnuts, walnuts, pecans, peanuts, cod liver oil, banana, dried bean, soy beans, soy lecithin, peas, pulses, whole wheat, prunes, prawns (shrimp) and most seafood, legumes, molasses, potatoes, organ meats, poultry, game, chicken, grain products, dark chocolate, raisins, beer, cider, coconut, mushrooms, black pepper, thyme, paprika, Bay leaves, Bone meal*. (Drinking water from copper piping should also be considered a source of copper). 3. Lutein: & Zeaxanthin: (Carotenoids - plant pigments, recommended in treatment of eye diseases). Highest in avocado, corn, kiwi, red grapes, green peppers, carrots, oranges and rich in eggs (the deeper the colour of the egg yolk, the more it contains lutein and zeaxanthin), pumpkin, kale, collard greens and many other yellow to red vegetables and fruits. Found in spinach. It may improve vision in retinitis pigmentosa. It is an antioxidant that slows cancer development, stimulates immune function and protects against the risk of age-related macular degeneration in the eye. (AMD), helpful in glaucoma, cataract and various eye diseases. 4. Selenium: Butter, tuna, herrings, smelt, oysters, Brazil nuts (5 Brazil nuts per day), nuts, eggs, poultry, apple cider vinegar, scallops, barley, lobster, prawn (shrimp), beef, Brewer's yeast, wheat germ, garlic, onions, bran, broccoli, whole grains, pork, chicken, milk. (US wheat content higher than European wheat content). 5. Vitamin C: (Ascorbic acid, ascorbate) Citrus fruits,Kiwi Fruit, rose hips, Acerola cherries, alfalfa seeds, alfalfa sprouts, cantaloupe (Rock Melon) strawberries, broccoli, cabbage, tomatoes, green peppers, capsicum, parsley, Brussels sprout, kale, mustard greens, paw paw, spinach, cauliflower, oranges, mangoes, grapefruit, pineapple, radishes, onions, green peas, spinach, sweet peppers. Herbs: alfalfa, burdock root, cayenne, chickweed, eye bright, fennel seed, fenugreek, hops, Horsetail, kelp, peppermint, mullein, nettle, oat straw, paprika, parsley, pine needle, plantain, raspberry leaf, red clover, rose hips, skullcap violet ;leaves,yarrow, yellow dock. 6. Vitamin E: (Tocopherol) The body needs zinc to maintain proper vitamin E levels. Vitamin E and vitamin C work synergistically in the body. Richest in wheat germ oil, avocado, Almonds, Brazil nuts, cold-pressed oils, cornmeal, Dulse, eggs, legumes, nuts, brown rice, oatmeal, organ meats, sunflower seeds (& oil), safflower oil, sesame oil, peanut oil, corn oil, hazelnuts, olive oil, organ meats, molasses, nuts, soybean oil, sweet potatoes, leafy vegetables, watercress, wholegrains, kelp, milk, desiccated liver* (See NHS205.21) Herbs: alfalfa, bladder wrack, dandelion, dong quai, flaxseed, nettle, oat straw, raspberry leaf, rose hip. Zinc: Unprocessed bran, wheat bran, lean beef steak, Brazil nuts, brown rice, cashews, cocoa dried powder, almonds (nuts), cheddar cheese, Edam cheese, Parmesan cheese, chic peas, oysters, dark meat of turkey, ginger root, hazelnuts, lamb chops, lentil, potato, soya sprouts, sunflower seeds, split peas, beef liver, pork, nonfat dry milk, yoghurt, egg yolk, whole wheat, rye, oats, seafood, organ meats, edible mushrooms, Brewer's yeast, soybeans, walnuts, wholemeal flour, orange juice. Because Australian soil is low in zinc it is advisable to take zinc daily zinc supplements in the form of chelated zinc. (And I did). Bon apetite, Annette
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This post not CC'd by email On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:07:07 -0000, "Patrick" <fester~nospam.com wrote: Both these found in XXXXXXXXX Capsules (£17.99 for 30 capsules) from The XXXXX Centre, 0800 XXXXXX which contain a high enough dose of both the above agents to provide the protection you need. Take as directed on the bottle. G'day G'day Patrick, If anyone wants those names and 0800 telephone number they can go back to your original post. Let's take a look at the price. It works out at about $2(NZ) per day if one takes one per day. $4(NZ) per day if one takes two per day. I follow a simple approach to supplements. It is neither for or against. First the emotional intelligence stuff. Skip down to "The rule of thumb" if its not your thing. When I come across some nutrient that is alleged to be beneficial but in short supply, I first embrace that sense of panic that one gets. It is like hugging an old friend you haven't seen for a while. IMHO emotions are like old friends ... much older than any of us or even our known family trees no matter how many generations we can recite. A strange thing happens when you embrace an emotion ... it lets go. One thanks it for passing on the message that one should take action. There are a couple of choices here. If the research hasn't been done go and do it. Or one can think smarter and ask a simple question, "For whom is this situation no problem at all?" The rule of thumb. Lutein is easy to obtain. Eat more vegetables than grain based foods. Here is some data from Austria. (They use , where we use a decimal point.) Basil 7,05 ± 0,81 Broccoli 0,78 ± 0,21 Cabbage Lettuce 2,49 ± 0,73 Carrot 0,49 ± 0,11 Cucumber 0,84 ± 0,64 Curled Lettuce 1,87 ± 0,42 Dill 13,82 ± 3,81 Egg plant 0,17 ± 0,08 French beans 0,76 ± 0,13 Leek 3,68 ± 0,59 Lettuce, different varieties 1,61 ± 0,31 Lettuce, Grazer Krauthäuptel 0,36 ± 0,09 Lettuce, Lollo Rosso 3,10 ± 0,76 Lettuce, Radiccio 0,62 ± 0,23 Parsley 6,40 ± 0,71 Pea 1,91 ± 0,85 Pepper, green 0,54 ± 0,41 Pepper, hot 0,78 ± 0,41 Pepper, violet 0,08 Pumpkin * 0,07 ± 0,015 Pumpkin, Connecticut Field 0,55 Pumpkin, Hokkaido 5,99 Pumpkin, Mammut Gold 1,72 Sage 6,35 ± 1,21 Spinach 5,93 ± 2,07 Summer Squash 2,26 ± 0,65 Tomato 0,21 ± 0,05 White Cabbage 0,45 ± 0,091 First up notice 1. The sources are vegetables not bread, pasta etc 2. How the culinary herbs are rich in lutein and zeaxanthin. My strategy is to make a conscious effort to get 50% of whatever is required. 50% of my lutein requirement would be say 1 mg. That would mean a bit less than 20 grams of spinach. Much less than an ounce. The balance of requirements will happen without any conscious thought if I eat coloured vegetables. Not everything is to be found on an Austrian food source chart. <grin What about the zeaxanthin? The easy answer ... include sweet paprika in your diet. It is so concentrated. Just look at the colour. Here I eat orange capsicums (bell peppers) since they are freely available at the moment. If you can't get those, eat spinach rich foods. Blokes some days you just got to eat quiche. Really ... then you'll be able to see all those fine details you may have been missing. That is harder to obtain than lutein. We need both. Zeaxanthin is essential for the central macular that deals with fine detail. The lutein is more important for peripheral vision. Beta carotene is isn't. In the days when analysis was crude they mistook zeaxanthin and lutein which were unfamiliar and framed beta carotene as good for eyes. A simple case of mistaken identity. I got this off my parents today .. they'd seen it in some newspaper article about macular odema. Would anyone else like to comment or offer an opinion before i go and get a tub. Patrick IMHO take the supplements you have bought. Then before they run out find out how much eighteen pounds will buy at the vegie market. I can't make that choice for you since I don't know what is available. Best wishes, -- Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, #,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
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Once more you come to the rescue of my wallet and fridge ;) I can get orange peppers any time of year here, in fact i've been eating a lot of green, yellow and red peppers since you mentioned bioflavinals. Basil, Parsley and Dill ( what the hell is that?) all seem to contain decent amounts of lutein. I can eat quiche as i happen to like it. So i think my 18 pounds will be far better spent down the local greengrocers than on 31 days supply of tablets, there is something wrong about taking tablets in place of natural food. Cheers. Patrick -- Type 1 Diabetic. Dx'd 1993. On 26u Lantus and whatever Novorapid my meter says i need. "Quentin Grady" <quentin~paradise.net.nz wrote in message news:q3vf105bj9jgs91j6fnl7bb6on9i0bvcuv~4ax.com... This post not CC'd by email On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:07:07 -0000, "Patrick" <fester~nospam.com wrote: Both these found in XXXXXXXXX Capsules (£17.99 for 30 capsules) from The XXXXX Centre, 0800 XXXXXX which contain a high enough dose of both the above agents to provide the protection you need. Take as directed on the bottle. G'day G'day Patrick, If anyone wants those names and 0800 telephone number they can go back to your original post. Let's take a look at the price. It works out at about $2(NZ) per day if one takes one per day. $4(NZ) per day if one takes two per day. I follow a simple approach to supplements. It is neither for or against. First the emotional intelligence stuff. Skip down to "The rule of thumb" if its not your thing. When I come across some nutrient that is alleged to be beneficial but in short supply, I first embrace that sense of panic that one gets. It is like hugging an old friend you haven't seen for a while. IMHO emotions are like old friends ... much older than any of us or even our known family trees no matter how many generations we can recite. A strange thing happens when you embrace an emotion ... it lets go. One thanks it for passing on the message that one should take action. There are a couple of choices here. If the research hasn't been done go and do it. Or one can think smarter and ask a simple question, "For whom is this situation no problem at all?" The rule of thumb. Lutein is easy to obtain. Eat more vegetables than grain based foods. Here is some data from Austria. (They use , where we use a decimal point.) Basil 7,05 ± 0,81 Broccoli 0,78 ± 0,21 Cabbage Lettuce 2,49 ± 0,73 Carrot 0,49 ± 0,11 Cucumber 0,84 ± 0,64 Curled Lettuce 1,87 ± 0,42 Dill 13,82 ± 3,81 Egg plant 0,17 ± 0,08 French beans 0,76 ± 0,13 Leek 3,68 ± 0,59 Lettuce, different varieties 1,61 ± 0,31 Lettuce, Grazer Krauthäuptel 0,36 ± 0,09 Lettuce, Lollo Rosso 3,10 ± 0,76 Lettuce, Radiccio 0,62 ± 0,23 Parsley 6,40 ± 0,71 Pea 1,91 ± 0,85 Pepper, green 0,54 ± 0,41 Pepper, hot 0,78 ± 0,41 Pepper, violet 0,08 Pumpkin * 0,07 ± 0,015 Pumpkin, Connecticut Field 0,55 Pumpkin, Hokkaido 5,99 Pumpkin, Mammut Gold 1,72 Sage 6,35 ± 1,21 Spinach 5,93 ± 2,07 Summer Squash 2,26 ± 0,65 Tomato 0,21 ± 0,05 White Cabbage 0,45 ± 0,091 First up notice 1. The sources are vegetables not bread, pasta etc 2. How the culinary herbs are rich in lutein and zeaxanthin. My strategy is to make a conscious effort to get 50% of whatever is required. 50% of my lutein requirement would be say 1 mg. That would mean a bit less than 20 grams of spinach. Much less than an ounce. The balance of requirements will happen without any conscious thought if I eat coloured vegetables. Not everything is to be found on an Austrian food source chart. <grin What about the zeaxanthin? The easy answer ... include sweet paprika in your diet. It is so concentrated. Just look at the colour. Here I eat orange capsicums (bell peppers) since they are freely available at the moment. If you can't get those, eat spinach rich foods. Blokes some days you just got to eat quiche. Really ... then you'll be able to see all those fine details you may have been missing. That is harder to obtain than lutein. We need both. Zeaxanthin is essential for the central macular that deals with fine detail. The lutein is more important for peripheral vision. Beta carotene is isn't. In the days when analysis was crude they mistook zeaxanthin and lutein which were unfamiliar and framed beta carotene as good for eyes. A simple case of mistaken identity. I got this off my parents today .. they'd seen it in some newspaper article about macular odema. Would anyone else like to comment or offer an opinion before i go and get a tub. Patrick IMHO take the supplements you have bought. Then before they run out find out how much eighteen pounds will buy at the vegie market. I can't make that choice for you since I don't know what is available. Best wishes, -- Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, #,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
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http://www-ang.kfunigraz.ac.at/~katzer/engl/generic_frame.htm- l?Anet_gra.html -- Type 1 Diabetic. Dx'd 1993. On 26u Lantus and whatever Novorapid my meter says i need. "Quentin Grady" <quentin~paradise.net.nz wrote in message news:q3vf105bj9jgs91j6fnl7bb6on9i0bvcuv~4ax.com... This post not CC'd by email On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:07:07 -0000, "Patrick" <fester~nospam.com wrote: Both these found in XXXXXXXXX Capsules (£17.99 for 30 capsules) from The XXXXX Centre, 0800 XXXXXX which contain a high enough dose of both the above agents to provide the protection you need. Take as directed on the bottle. G'day G'day Patrick, If anyone wants those names and 0800 telephone number they can go back to your original post. Let's take a look at the price. It works out at about $2(NZ) per day if one takes one per day. $4(NZ) per day if one takes two per day. I follow a simple approach to supplements. It is neither for or against. First the emotional intelligence stuff. Skip down to "The rule of thumb" if its not your thing. When I come across some nutrient that is alleged to be beneficial but in short supply, I first embrace that sense of panic that one gets. It is like hugging an old friend you haven't seen for a while. IMHO emotions are like old friends ... much older than any of us or even our known family trees no matter how many generations we can recite. A strange thing happens when you embrace an emotion ... it lets go. One thanks it for passing on the message that one should take action. There are a couple of choices here. If the research hasn't been done go and do it. Or one can think smarter and ask a simple question, "For whom is this situation no problem at all?" The rule of thumb. Lutein is easy to obtain. Eat more vegetables than grain based foods. Here is some data from Austria. (They use , where we use a decimal point.) Basil 7,05 ± 0,81 Broccoli 0,78 ± 0,21 Cabbage Lettuce 2,49 ± 0,73 Carrot 0,49 ± 0,11 Cucumber 0,84 ± 0,64 Curled Lettuce 1,87 ± 0,42 Dill 13,82 ± 3,81 Egg plant 0,17 ± 0,08 French beans 0,76 ± 0,13 Leek 3,68 ± 0,59 Lettuce, different varieties 1,61 ± 0,31 Lettuce, Grazer Krauthäuptel 0,36 ± 0,09 Lettuce, Lollo Rosso 3,10 ± 0,76 Lettuce, Radiccio 0,62 ± 0,23 Parsley 6,40 ± 0,71 Pea 1,91 ± 0,85 Pepper, green 0,54 ± 0,41 Pepper, hot 0,78 ± 0,41 Pepper, violet 0,08 Pumpkin * 0,07 ± 0,015 Pumpkin, Connecticut Field 0,55 Pumpkin, Hokkaido 5,99 Pumpkin, Mammut Gold 1,72 Sage 6,35 ± 1,21 Spinach 5,93 ± 2,07 Summer Squash 2,26 ± 0,65 Tomato 0,21 ± 0,05 White Cabbage 0,45 ± 0,091 First up notice 1. The sources are vegetables not bread, pasta etc 2. How the culinary herbs are rich in lutein and zeaxanthin. My strategy is to make a conscious effort to get 50% of whatever is required. 50% of my lutein requirement would be say 1 mg. That would mean a bit less than 20 grams of spinach. Much less than an ounce. The balance of requirements will happen without any conscious thought if I eat coloured vegetables. Not everything is to be found on an Austrian food source chart. <grin What about the zeaxanthin? The easy answer ... include sweet paprika in your diet. It is so concentrated. Just look at the colour. Here I eat orange capsicums (bell peppers) since they are freely available at the moment. If you can't get those, eat spinach rich foods. Blokes some days you just got to eat quiche. Really ... then you'll be able to see all those fine details you may have been missing. That is harder to obtain than lutein. We need both. Zeaxanthin is essential for the central macular that deals with fine detail. The lutein is more important for peripheral vision. Beta carotene is isn't. In the days when analysis was crude they mistook zeaxanthin and lutein which were unfamiliar and framed beta carotene as good for eyes. A simple case of mistaken identity. I got this off my parents today .. they'd seen it in some newspaper article about macular odema. Would anyone else like to comment or offer an opinion before i go and get a tub. Patrick IMHO take the supplements you have bought. Then before they run out find out how much eighteen pounds will buy at the vegie market. I can't make that choice for you since I don't know what is available. Best wishes, -- Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, #,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
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Fester <fester~nospamtagmx.co.uk wrote: : Once more you come to the rescue of my wallet and fridge ;) : I can get orange peppers any time of year here, in fact i've : been eating a lot of green, yellow and red peppers since you : mentioned bioflavinals. Basil, Parsley and Dill ( what the : hell is that?) all seem to contain decent amounts of lutein. : I can eat quiche as i happen to like it. So i think my 18 : pounds will be far better spent down the local greengrocers : than on 31 days supply of tablets, there is something wrong : about taking tablets in place of natural food. : Cheers. : Patrick : -- Dill is an herb with feathery leaves and seed, both of which are used as a flavoring. They are often found in pickles called dill pickles or Kosher style pickles. Dill weed tastes very good added late in the cooking to chicken soup, The weed is best used fresh, the seeds are usually found dried. I am fond of the taste and, if you garden, it is not difficult to grow. Wendy
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This post not CC'd by email On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:42:30 -0000, "Fester" <fester~nospamtagmx.co.uk wrote: Once more you come to the rescue of my wallet and fridge ;) G'day G'day Patrick, Glad I could do that. People so often forget there is a downside to the extraction process used to get some much into such a tiny capsule ... we often also require the stuff they leave out. I can get orange peppers any time of year here, in fact i've been eating a lot of green, yellow and red peppers since you mentioned bioflavinals. Take my word for it orange peppers are the ultimate source. I did some paid research on the matter and some of the information out there is presented in highly deceptive ways. I don't think it is intentional but misinterpretations abound. The most common one is similar to the discussions we have about glycemic index. COOKED carrots have a high glycemic index which means if anyone can persuade some unsuspecting soles to stuff themselves with enough cooked carrots to get 50 grams of carbohydrate their blood glucose behaves rather like they had straight glucose. The point that gets hidden in the simple glycemic index number is that is takes a lot of carrots to get 50 grams of carbohydrate. For what is worth RAW carrots are excellent food for T2 diabetics. Cooked carrots in reasonable helpings are likely to work well as well though of course we TEST, TEST, TEST since YMMV. Well, with the internet info on zeaxanthin and lutein is often presented as a percentage of CAROTENOIDS. Corn for instance has a high proportion of its carotenoids as lutein. Corn though doesn't have carotenoid content. We are dealing with percentages of percentages and that is easily overlooked by people touting product or diet on the net. FWIIW paprika has a half a percent carotenoids. That is massive. It takes a lot fruit to make a small amount of paprika. Basil, Parsley and Dill ( what the hell is that?) all seem to contain decent amounts of lutein. One can buy dill seed and sprout it in window boxes. At least that is what they do in cold climates. It's foliage looks like fennel but the fragrance and flavour is utterly different. I can eat quiche as i happen to like it. So i think my 18 pounds will be far better spent down the local greengrocers than on 31 days supply of tablets, there is something wrong about taking tablets in place of natural food. There sure is some severe downside. Cost is one. Missing out on the stuff you didn't know you needed that they removed is another. The worst is often that the encapsulated materials aren't structurally identical to the natural forms. Fourthly absorption is often not what it is cracked up to be. A recent study showed something less than 10% of Vit E from supplements was absorbed compared to most of it when it was used to enrich foods. With carotenoids extraction is important but hey, cooking the capsicums will do that. Cheers. Patrick Best wishes -- Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, #,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
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Hahah that's not the sort of weed i'd normally grow ... but i'll get some seeds and try my hand at that instead ;) Patrick "W. Baker" <wbaker~panix.com wrote in message news:bvbf56$9nm$2~reader2.panix.com... Fester <fester~nospamtagmx.co.uk wrote: : Once more you come to the rescue of my wallet and fridge : ;) I can get orange : peppers any time of year here, in fact i've been eating a : lot of green, yellow and red peppers since you mentioned : bioflavinals. Basil, Parsley and : Dill ( what the hell is that?) all seem to contain decent : amounts of lutein. : I can eat quiche as i happen to like it. So i think my 18 : pounds will be far : better spent down the local greengrocers than on 31 days : supply of tablets, : there is something wrong about taking tablets in place of : natural food. : Cheers. : Patrick : -- Dill is an herb with feathery leaves and seed, both of which are used as a flavoring. They are often found in pickles called dill pickles or Kosher style pickles. Dill weed tastes very good added late in the cooking to chicken soup, The weed is best used fresh, the seeds are usually found dried. I am fond of the taste and, if you garden, it is not difficult to grow. Wendy
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Quentin, My nearest and dearest and getting to know you very well. Tonight we had homemade salsa full of fresh chilis and cilantro, chicken wings with hot sauce (full of red pepper bits) while I also nibbled on fresh parsley leaves. My sweetie takes one look and says, "What was it that Quentin says is in these?" He's been hearing a lot about you.<g But the fresh salsa tasted wonderful here where we are under 7 inches of fresh snow with the thermometer not predicted to get up into the 30s for another couple weeks. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm "Quentin Grady" <quentin~paradise.net.nz wrote in message news:9cli10te4gj06imesltadv17h524d1cufl~4ax.com... This post not CC'd by email On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:42:30 -0000, "Fester" <fester~nospamtagmx.co.uk wrote: Once more you come to the rescue of my wallet and fridge ;) G'day G'day Patrick, Glad I could do that. People so often forget there is a downside to the extraction process used to get some much into such a tiny capsule ... we often also require the stuff they leave out. I can get orange peppers any time of year here, in fact i've been eating a lot of green, yellow and red peppers since you mentioned bioflavinals. Take my word for it orange peppers are the ultimate source. I did some paid research on the matter and some of the information out there is presented in highly deceptive ways. I don't think it is intentional but misinterpretations abound. The most common one is similar to the discussions we have about glycemic index. COOKED carrots have a high glycemic index which means if anyone can persuade some unsuspecting soles to stuff themselves with enough cooked carrots to get 50 grams of carbohydrate their blood glucose behaves rather like they had straight glucose. The point that gets hidden in the simple glycemic index number is that is takes a lot of carrots to get 50 grams of carbohydrate. For what is worth RAW carrots are excellent food for T2 diabetics. Cooked carrots in reasonable helpings are likely to work well as well though of course we TEST, TEST, TEST since YMMV. Well, with the internet info on zeaxanthin and lutein is often presented as a percentage of CAROTENOIDS. Corn for instance has a high proportion of its carotenoids as lutein. Corn though doesn't have carotenoid content. We are dealing with percentages of percentages and that is easily overlooked by people touting product or diet on the net. FWIIW paprika has a half a percent carotenoids. That is massive. It takes a lot fruit to make a small amount of paprika. Basil, Parsley and Dill ( what the hell is that?) all seem to contain decent amounts of lutein. One can buy dill seed and sprout it in window boxes. At least that is what they do in cold climates. It's foliage looks like fennel but the fragrance and flavour is utterly different. I can eat quiche as i happen to like it. So i think my 18 pounds will be far better spent down the local greengrocers than on 31 days supply of tablets, there is something wrong about taking tablets in place of natural food. There sure is some severe downside. Cost is one. Missing out on the stuff you didn't know you needed that they removed is another. The worst is often that the encapsulated materials aren't structurally identical to the natural forms. Fourthly absorption is often not what it is cracked up to be. A recent study showed something less than 10% of Vit E from supplements was absorbed compared to most of it when it was used to enrich foods. With carotenoids extraction is important but hey, cooking the capsicums will do that. Cheers. Patrick Best wishes -- Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, #,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
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My favourite dish to date is lightly fried green, yellow and orange peppers with half an onion. Part cooked sausages grilled then added into the peppers and onions to brown off ... eaten with a small portion of low fat crinkle cut oven chips served up with HP fruity sauce. I only need 10u of novorapid to go with it ... and my blood sugar is always back at 5 to 6 mmol/l 2 hours afterwards:) Patrick "Jenny" <lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com wrote in message news:401994b9$0$11448$61fed72c~news.rcn.com... Quentin, My nearest and dearest and getting to know you very well. Tonight we had homemade salsa full of fresh chilis and cilantro, chicken wings with hot sauce (full of red pepper bits) while I also nibbled on fresh parsley leaves. My sweetie takes one look and says, "What was it that Quentin says is in these?" He's been hearing a lot about you.<g But the fresh salsa tasted wonderful here where we are under 7 inches of fresh snow with the thermometer not predicted to get up into the 30s for another couple weeks. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm "Quentin Grady" <quentin~paradise.net.nz wrote in message news:9cli10te4gj06imesltadv17h524d1cufl~4ax.com... This post not CC'd by email On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:42:30 -0000, "Fester" <fester~nospamtagmx.co.uk wrote: Once more you come to the rescue of my wallet and fridge ;) G'day G'day Patrick, Glad I could do that. People so often forget there is a downside to the extraction process used to get some much into such a tiny capsule ... we often also require the stuff they leave out. I can get orange peppers any time of year here, in fact i've been eating a lot of green, yellow and red peppers since you mentioned bioflavinals. Take my word for it orange peppers are the ultimate source. I did some paid research on the matter and some of the information out there is presented in highly deceptive ways. I don't think it is intentional but misinterpretations abound. The most common one is similar to the discussions we have about glycemic index. COOKED carrots have a high glycemic index which means if anyone can persuade some unsuspecting soles to stuff themselves with enough cooked carrots to get 50 grams of carbohydrate their blood glucose behaves rather like they had straight glucose. The point that gets hidden in the simple glycemic index number is that is takes a lot of carrots to get 50 grams of carbohydrate. For what is worth RAW carrots are excellent food for T2 diabetics. Cooked carrots in reasonable helpings are likely to work well as well though of course we TEST, TEST, TEST since YMMV. Well, with the internet info on zeaxanthin and lutein is often presented as a percentage of CAROTENOIDS. Corn for instance has a high proportion of its carotenoids as lutein. Corn though doesn't have carotenoid content. We are dealing with percentages of percentages and that is easily overlooked by people touting product or diet on the net. FWIIW paprika has a half a percent carotenoids. That is massive. It takes a lot fruit to make a small amount of paprika. Basil, Parsley and Dill ( what the hell is that?) all seem to contain decent amounts of lutein. One can buy dill seed and sprout it in window boxes. At least that is what they do in cold climates. It's foliage looks like fennel but the fragrance and flavour is utterly different. I can eat quiche as i happen to like it. So i think my 18 pounds will be far better spent down the local greengrocers than on 31 days supply of tablets, there is something wrong about taking tablets in place of natural food. There sure is some severe downside. Cost is one. Missing out on the stuff you didn't know you needed that they removed is another. The worst is often that the encapsulated materials aren't structurally identical to the natural forms. Fourthly absorption is often not what it is cracked up to be. A recent study showed something less than 10% of Vit E from supplements was absorbed compared to most of it when it was used to enrich foods. With carotenoids extraction is important but hey, cooking the capsicums will do that. Cheers. Patrick Best wishes -- Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, #,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
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Patrick <fester~nospam.com wrote: : Hahah that's not the sort of weed i'd normally grow ... but : i'll get some seeds and try my hand at that instead ;) : Patrick "W. Baker" <wbaker~panix.com wrote in message : news:bvbf56$9nm$2~reader2.panix.com... : : -- : : Dill is an herb with feathery leaves and seed, both of : which are used as a flavoring. They are often found in : pickles called dill pickles or Kosher style pickles. Dill : weed tastes very good added late in the cooking to chicken : soup, The weed is best used fresh, the seeds are usually : found dried. I am fond of the taste and, if you garden, it : is not difficult to grow. : : Wendy Just thought of another use for dillweek. Mixed in with either sour creamor mayo or a combination of the two it makes a great sauce for sold salmon. If yu are concerned about fat, use lower(not no)fat mayo and yogurt to make the dill sauce. Wendy