Question:
The background on this is that my spouse (thin, not diabetic, athletic and healthy) has had severe problems with his stomach since he was 18. He's had constant heartburn all the time. He's ended up in the hospital bleeding out twice in the last 3 years. He's had the whole gastrointestinal workup (from both ends.) The gastroenterologist told him he had "weak valves" and put him on Prilosec. It worked, but he had to stop taking it because it caused intense side effects. This past year, after another hospitalization for stomach bleeding (on Christmas Eve) his doctor tried a couple drugs in the same family as Prilosec and eventually put him on Nexium. It worked, but after three months the side effects started up again. All along I've been telling him that hundreds of people who post on the low carb newsgroup report that all their heartburn goes away within days when they low carb. My own experience has narrowed the culprit in my own heartburn down to wheat. If I eat it more than once or twice a week I get dreadful heartburn. But my Sweetie was convinced he had something else--"weak valves" and needed medicine. Finally, when he had to stop taking the Nexium because of the side effects, I got him to try a three day trial of No Wheat. This is day three. To his amazement, the heart burn is GONE. It was gone yesterday too. Without a dangerous, potentially cancerogenic drug. One that costs $169/month. What really makes me mad, though, is that you can search PUBMED until you are blue in the face and you will not see a single article about how people can cure heartburn by cutting wheat out of their diets. You'll read over and over that heartburn is caused by "fat" when it seems to be caused for most people by the combination of fat and wheat. I eat a diet that is 80% fat and have no heart burn at all as long as I stay away from flour. Do a Google search on "heartburn" on the alt.support.diet.low-carb newsgroup and you'll find thousands of postings about how heartburn went away as soon as the person started low carbing (and, of course, cut out the wheat from their diet.) Why the ~#$% hasn't someone in the medical community noticed this. P.S. This is not the same as celiac disease. I can eat wheat gluten with no problems at all. It's only wheat flour that causes terrible heartburn. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes
Answers:
In article <bormb1$gu0$1~bob.news.rcn.net, "Jenny" <lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com writes:
The background on this is that my spouse (thin, not diabetic,
athletic and healthy) has had severe problems with his
stomach since he was 18. He's had constant heartburn all the
time. He's ended up in the hospital bleeding out twice in the
last 3 years.
He's had the whole gastrointestinal workup (from both ends.)
The gastroenterologist told him he had "weak valves" and put
him on Prilosec. It worked, but he had to stop taking it
because it caused intense side effects. This past year, after
another hospitalization for stomach bleeding (on Christmas
Eve) his doctor tried a couple drugs in the same family as
Prilosec and eventually put him on Nexium. It worked, but
after three months the side effects started up again.
All along I've been telling him that hundreds of people who
post on the low carb newsgroup report that all their
heartburn goes away within days when they low carb. My own
experience has narrowed the culprit in my own heartburn down
to wheat. If I eat it more than once or twice a week I get
dreadful heartburn. But my Sweetie was convinced he had
something else--"weak valves" and needed medicine.
Finally, when he had to stop taking the Nexium because of the
side effects, I got him to try a three day trial of No Wheat.
This is day three. To his amazement, the heart burn is GONE.
It was gone yesterday too. Without a dangerous, potentially
cancerogenic drug. One that costs $169/month.
What really makes me mad, though, is that you can search
PUBMED until you are blue in the face and you will not see a
single article about how people can cure heartburn by cutting
wheat out of their diets. You'll read over and over that
heartburn is caused by "fat" when it seems to be caused for
most people by the combination of fat and wheat. I eat a diet
that is 80% fat and have no heart burn at all as long as I
stay away from flour. Do a Google search on "heartburn" on
the alt.support.diet.low-carb newsgroup and you'll find
thousands of postings about how heartburn went away as soon
as the person started low carbing (and, of course, cut out
the wheat from their diet.)
Why the ~#$% hasn't someone in the medical community
noticed this.
P.S. This is not the same as celiac disease. I can eat wheat
gluten with no problems at all. It's only wheat flour
that causes terrible heartburn.
-- Jenny
Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!
Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c
5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now
My hubby suffered from severe heartburn and the worst snoreing in his life after being put on one of the cholesterol drugs.. Dr refused to believe the cause was the drug..So he had two very expensive sleep apnea tests, where they diagnosed him with sleep apnea ...Hubby refused the machine..Said the cure was worse than the disease..About 1 month later he runs out of cholesterol medication and decides not to refill it..Within a short period of time, snoreing decreased 75% and the heartburn stopped completely.. But IM sure it couldnt have been the drug.. RIGHT... We have since spoken to at least 6 other individuals with exact same reaction to the cholesterol meds.. Thank Goodness we dont see that Dr anymore... sigh.. Now hubby lowcarbs with me..Not as low, but lower than he was at before..Dr apt in a couple of months to see if it helps the cholesterol... As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 189/154/120
Answers:
Jeanne, There are many terrible side effects caused by common drugs that the manufacturers have managed to hide from the public. One huge problem is that drug manufacturers are not forced to distinguish between permanent effects and transient effects. The drug that left me with permanent tinnitus lists tinnitus as a side effect in its prescribing information, but every doctor I saw assumed it would be temporary. It wasn't. Similarly, Floxin drugs list neurological disturbances in their list of side effects, but again, doctors assume they will be transient. For a small number of people, they are permanent. The book BITTER PILLS details the whole horror story of people who have suffered permanent neurological damage from these drugs and the steps the manufacturers have taken to hide these problems from the public. The only side effects that get attention after a drug is released into the market are the ones that are fatal--to a lot of people--in a way where there's a clear link between the drug and the death. If a drug "only" causes permanent impotence, tinnitus, memory loss, or relentless weight gain it can and will be marketed and the manufacturers will assure the customers that the side effect came from something else. Then they'll sell them another drug for the side effect. That is why I feel so strongly that drugs should be the solution of last resort used only when a dietary approach does not work. And when I do have to take a drug, I read the prescribing information several times, look up the terms I don't know, google all the newsgroups for messages from victims, and then, if all checks out, I take a low dose and watch very carefully to see what it does. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes "Jmmbear" <jmmbear~aol.com wrote in message news:20031111184504.12300.00001556~mb-m20.aol.com...
In article <bormb1$gu0$1~bob.news.rcn.net, "Jenny"
<lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com writes:
The background on this is that my spouse (thin, not
diabetic, athletic and
healthy) has had severe problems with his stomach since he
was 18. He's had
constant heartburn all the time. He's ended up in the
hospital bleeding out
twice in the last 3 years.
He's had the whole gastrointestinal workup (from both
ends.) The gastroenterologist told him he had "weak valves"
and put him on Prilosec. It
worked, but he had to stop taking it because it caused
intense side effects.
This past year, after another hospitalization for stomach
bleeding (on Christmas Eve) his doctor tried a couple drugs
in the same family as Prilosec and eventually put him on
Nexium. It worked, but after three months the side effects
started up again.
All along I've been telling him that hundreds of people who
post on the low
carb newsgroup report that all their heartburn goes away
within days when they low carb. My own experience has
narrowed the culprit in my own heartburn down to wheat. If
I eat it more than once or twice a week I get
dreadful heartburn. But my Sweetie was convinced he had
something else--"weak valves" and needed medicine.
Finally, when he had to stop taking the Nexium because of
the side effects,
I got him to try a three day trial of No Wheat. This is day
three. To his
amazement, the heart burn is GONE. It was gone yesterday
too. Without a dangerous, potentially cancerogenic drug.
One that costs $169/month.
What really makes me mad, though, is that you can search
PUBMED until you
are blue in the face and you will not see a single article
about how people
can cure heartburn by cutting wheat out of their diets.
You'll read over and over that heartburn is caused by "fat"
when it seems to be caused for most people by the
combination of fat and wheat. I eat a diet that is 80% fat
and have no heart burn at all as long as I stay away from
flour. Do a Google search on "heartburn" on the
alt.support.diet.low-carb newsgroup and
you'll find thousands of postings about how heartburn went
away as soon as
the person started low carbing (and, of course, cut out the
wheat from their
diet.)
Why the ~#$% hasn't someone in the medical community
noticed this.
P.S. This is not the same as celiac disease. I can eat
wheat gluten with no
problems at all. It's only wheat flour that causes terrible
heartburn.
-- Jenny
Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!
Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c
5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now
My hubby suffered from severe heartburn and the worst
snoreing in his life after being put on one of the
cholesterol drugs.. Dr refused to believe the
cause was the drug..So he had two very expensive sleep apnea
tests, where they
diagnosed him with sleep apnea ...Hubby refused the
machine..Said the cure was
worse than the disease..About 1 month later he runs out of
cholesterol medication and decides not to refill it..Within
a short period of time, snoreing decreased 75% and the
heartburn stopped completely.. But IM sure it
couldnt have been the drug.. RIGHT... We have since spoken
to at least 6 other
individuals with exact same reaction to the cholesterol
meds.. Thank Goodness
we dont see that Dr anymore... sigh.. Now hubby lowcarbs
with me..Not as low, but lower than he was at before..Dr apt
in a couple of months to see if it helps the cholesterol...
As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed
05/28/02
189/154/120
Answers:
"Jenny" <lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com wrote in message news:bormb1$gu0$1~bob.news.rcn.net...
The background on this is that my spouse (thin, not
diabetic, athletic and healthy) has had severe problems with
his stomach since he was 18. He's had
constant heartburn all the time. He's ended up in the
hospital bleeding out
twice in the last 3 years.
He's had the whole gastrointestinal workup (from both ends.)
The gastroenterologist told him he had "weak valves" and put
him on Prilosec. It
worked, but he had to stop taking it because it caused
intense side effects.
This past year, after another hospitalization for stomach
bleeding (on Christmas Eve) his doctor tried a couple drugs
in the same family as Prilosec and eventually put him on
Nexium. It worked, but after three months the side effects
started up again.
All along I've been telling him that hundreds of people who
post on the low
carb newsgroup report that all their heartburn goes away
within days when they low carb. My own experience has
narrowed the culprit in my own heartburn down to wheat. If I
eat it more than once or twice a week I get
dreadful heartburn. But my Sweetie was convinced he had
something else--"weak valves" and needed medicine.
Finally, when he had to stop taking the Nexium because of
the side effects,
I got him to try a three day trial of No Wheat. This is day
three. To his amazement, the heart burn is GONE. It was gone
yesterday too. Without a dangerous, potentially cancerogenic
drug. One that costs $169/month.
What really makes me mad, though, is that you can search
PUBMED until you are blue in the face and you will not see a
single article about how people
can cure heartburn by cutting wheat out of their diets.
You'll read over and over that heartburn is caused by "fat"
when it seems to be caused for most people by the
combination of fat and wheat. I eat a diet that is 80% fat
and have no heart burn at all as long as I stay away from
flour. Do a Google search on "heartburn" on the
alt.support.diet.low-carb newsgroup and
you'll find thousands of postings about how heartburn went
away as soon as the person started low carbing (and, of
course, cut out the wheat from their
diet.)
Why the ~#$% hasn't someone in the medical community
noticed this.
P.S. This is not the same as celiac disease. I can eat wheat
gluten with no
problems at all. It's only wheat flour that causes terrible
heartburn. I wonder though if there isn't some other aspect to this. My Mom has acid reflux but also a known wheat allergy. She also has other food allergies and she says it is difficult for her to avoid these foods because she has intense cravings for them. I find this hard to believe because if a food makes me sick, that just puts me off of it. I have no food allergies that I know of. I have been tested, but it was many years ago. I do have lactose intolerance, so I don't do milk, but I don't like the taste anyway, so no problem. Fruit makes me VERY sick to my stomach, giving me pains, nausea, and painful gas. I don't like the taste of most fruit, so again, no problem not eating it. I also don't have acid reflux. I do know several other people who have acid reflux and each of them finds that different foods are bad for them. These are not necessarily the same foods put on those lists that the Drs. give out. Chocolate, coffee and caffeine in general are usually bad for them. Tomatoes, onions and peppers are bad for some of them. And my friend recently made a connection with oatmeal! She said she was trying to eat a more healthy diet and lose some weight so she started eating oatmeal each morning. She got the old fashioned, steel cut kind that you have to cook on the stove. She tried it for about a week and noticed that she had terrible reflux problems almost immediately after eating it. She said the problem was so bad that she wasn't able to eat for many hours afterwards. When she stopped eating the oatmeal, the reflux immediately stopped. AFAIK, none of them have a problem with wheat. Except for my Mom that is, and in her case it is a known allergy. -- Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
Answers:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:55:29 -0500, "Jenny" <lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com wrote:
Jeanne,
There are many terrible side effects caused by common drugs
that the manufacturers have managed to hide from the public.
One huge problem is that drug manufacturers are not forced to
distinguish between permanent effects and transient effects.
The drug that left me with permanent tinnitus lists tinnitus
as a side effect in its prescribing information, but every
doctor I saw assumed it would be temporary. It wasn't.
Similarly, Floxin drugs list neurological disturbances in
their list of side effects, but again, doctors assume they
will be transient. For a small number of people, they are
permanent. The book BITTER PILLS details the whole horror
story of people who have suffered permanent neurological
damage from these drugs and the steps the manufacturers have
taken to hide these problems from the public.
The only side effects that get attention after a drug is
released into the market are the ones that are fatal--to a
lot of people--in a way where there's a clear link between
the drug and the death. If a drug "only" causes permanent
impotence, tinnitus, memory loss, or relentless weight gain
it can and will be marketed and the manufacturers will assure
the customers that the side effect came from something else.
Then they'll sell them another drug for the side effect.
That is why I feel so strongly that drugs should be the
solution of last resort used only when a dietary approach
does not work. And when I do have to take a drug, I read the
prescribing information several times, look up the terms I
don't know, google all the newsgroups for messages from
victims, and then, if all checks out, I take a low dose and
watch very carefully to see what it does.
-- Jenny We don't always agree, Jenny, but I'm in total agreement with your final paragraph. It's the side effects that will only become apparent years downstream that concern me. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
Answers:
Julie, When he was eating wheat my Sweetie noticed all kinds of other foods giving him problems, mostly acids like tomatoes and beer. But yesterday he tried the "Guiness Test" drank a full can and found he stilll had no heart burn at all. Without any meds. That really impressed him as usually the beer would have sent him right for the Tums. He still finds it hard to believe that all his symptoms of 20 years could disappear after only 3 days of not eating wheat .But he is incredibly relieved that this seems to be working. He was getting very worried about developing stomach cancer from the continual irritation of the acid or from the Nexium which is of a family of drugs that causes cancers in rodents at high doses and has not been used in humans long enough to know if it will do the same to them.. He had a friend who died of stomach cancer very young. On the diet group I have read many postings from people saying that the foods they are intolerant of are the very foods they crave the most. That certainly is true for me. I could go the rest of my life without ever eating another bite of corn or rice, but just the thought of bagel gets me salivating even though I know what it will do to my blood sugar and digestive juices. It makes sense, though, that many Westerners would develop wheat allergies over time since we eat so much wheat in our diets. It is possible that wheat proteins might leak through our gut linings when they are irritated and this trigger our bodies form antibodies to the wheat proteins that lead to inflammation and acid secretion. When my Sweetie had his stomach looked at they saw a very high level of inflammation (which is why he gets these bleeds when normal people would just get a stomach flu, throw up a bit, and get over it.) I'm hoping that without the wheat the inflammation will go away. I'm also going to have to help him craft a diet that will work for his way of life. He has to eat out almost daily because he works in people's homes and mostly he has been eating pizza and subs. He doesn't need to lose weight and it's tough to find foods in restaurants that are not exorbitantly expensive, have no wheat, and will give him the calories he needs for a very physically active lifestyle. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes "Julie Bove" <jnospambove~bestweb.net wrote in message news:vr3gdodmmqeh86~corp.supernews.com...
"Jenny" <lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com wrote in message
news:bormb1$gu0$1~bob.news.rcn.net...
The background on this is that my spouse (thin, not
diabetic, athletic and
healthy) has had severe problems with his stomach since he
was 18. He's
had
constant heartburn all the time. He's ended up in the
hospital bleeding
out
twice in the last 3 years.
He's had the whole gastrointestinal workup (from both
ends.) The gastroenterologist told him he had "weak
valves" and put him on Prilosec.
It
worked, but he had to stop taking it because it caused
intense side
effects.
This past year, after another hospitalization for stomach
bleeding (on Christmas Eve) his doctor tried a couple
drugs in the same family as Prilosec and eventually put
him on Nexium. It worked, but after three months the side
effects started up again.
All along I've been telling him that hundreds of people
who post on the
low
carb newsgroup report that all their heartburn goes away
within days when
they low carb. My own experience has narrowed the culprit
in my own heartburn down to wheat. If I eat it more than
once or twice a week I
get
dreadful heartburn. But my Sweetie was convinced he had
something else--"weak valves" and needed medicine.
Finally, when he had to stop taking the Nexium because of
the side
effects,
I got him to try a three day trial of No Wheat. This is
day three. To his
amazement, the heart burn is GONE. It was gone yesterday
too. Without a dangerous, potentially cancerogenic drug.
One that costs $169/month.
What really makes me mad, though, is that you can search
PUBMED until you
are blue in the face and you will not see a single article
about how
people
can cure heartburn by cutting wheat out of their diets.
You'll read over
and over that heartburn is caused by "fat" when it seems
to be caused for
most people by the combination of fat and wheat. I eat a
diet that is 80%
fat and have no heart burn at all as long as I stay away
from flour. Do a
Google search on "heartburn" on the
alt.support.diet.low-carb newsgroup
and
you'll find thousands of postings about how heartburn went
away as soon as
the person started low carbing (and, of course, cut out
the wheat from
their
diet.)
Why the ~#$% hasn't someone in the medical community
noticed this.
P.S. This is not the same as celiac disease. I can eat
wheat gluten with
no
problems at all. It's only wheat flour that causes
terrible heartburn.
I wonder though if there isn't some other aspect to this. My
Mom has acid reflux but also a known wheat allergy. She also
has other food allergies and she says it is difficult for
her to avoid these foods because she has intense cravings
for them. I find this hard to believe because if a food
makes me sick, that just puts me off of it.
I have no food allergies that I know of. I have been tested,
but it was many years ago. I do have lactose intolerance, so
I don't do milk, but I don't like the taste anyway, so no
problem. Fruit makes me VERY sick to my
stomach, giving me pains, nausea, and painful gas. I don't
like the taste of most fruit, so again, no problem not
eating it. I also don't have acid reflux.
I do know several other people who have acid reflux and each
of them finds that different foods are bad for them. These
are not necessarily the same foods put on those lists that
the Drs. give out. Chocolate, coffee and caffeine in general
are usually bad for them. Tomatoes, onions and peppers
are bad for some of them. And my friend recently made a
connection with oatmeal! She said she was trying to eat a
more healthy diet and lose some weight so she started eating
oatmeal each morning. She got the old fashioned, steel cut
kind that you have to cook on the stove. She tried it
for about a week and noticed that she had terrible reflux
problems almost immediately after eating it. She said the
problem was so bad that she wasn't able to eat for many
hours afterwards. When she stopped eating the oatmeal, the
reflux immediately stopped. AFAIK, none of them have a problem
with wheat. Except for my Mom that is, and in her case it is
a known allergy.
--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
Answers:
"Jmmbear" <jmmbear~aol.com wrote in message news:20031111212138.12501.00003885~mb-m04.aol.com...
In article <bos0ii$8o3$1~bob.news.rcn.net, "Jenny"
<lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com writes:
Jeanne,
There are many terrible side effects caused by common drugs
that the manufacturers have managed to hide from the
public. One huge problem is that
drug manufacturers are not forced to distinguish between
permanent effects
and transient effects. The drug that left me with permanent
tinnitus lists
tinnitus as a side effect in its prescribing information,
but every doctor I
saw assumed it would be temporary. It wasn't.
Similarly, Floxin drugs list neurological disturbances in
their list of side
effects, but again, doctors assume they will be transient.
For a small number of people, they are permanent. The book
BITTER PILLS details the whole horror story of people who
have suffered permanent neurological damage
from these drugs and the steps the manufacturers have taken
to hide these problems from the public.
The only side effects that get attention after a drug is
released into the
market are the ones that are fatal--to a lot of people--in
a way where there's a clear link between the drug and the
death. If a drug "only" causes permanent impotence,
tinnitus, memory loss, or relentless weight gain it can and
will be marketed and the manufacturers will assure the
customers that the side effect came from something else.
Then they'll sell them another drug for the side effect.
That is why I feel so strongly that drugs should be the
solution of last resort used only when a dietary approach
does not work. And when I do have
to take a drug, I read the prescribing information several
times, look up the terms I don't know, google all the
newsgroups for messages from victims,
and then, if all checks out, I take a low dose and watch
very carefully to
see what it does.
-- Jenny
Jenny, I never really knew about side affects with drugs..
Not really.. I mean
you hear about them, but never meet anyone who had anything
permanent.. There've been a few people who had the number 1 side effect of human insulin, but they didn't get the chance to talk to their doctors once they'd discovered it. There're TV shows almost weekly about the side effects of one drug or another (the most recent being Seroxet) but they don't get watched if the clash with some stupid soap, and they usually do. The information is inside all drug packages, but not enough people read the inserts, or take the risks into account. The simple Aspirin can kill. Beav
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"Alan" <loraldeletespam~ozconnect.net wrote in message news:kh53rv8quius924cou2v8kjkjd16qbed6d~4ax.com...
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:55:29 -0500, "Jenny"
<lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com wrote:
That is why I feel so strongly that drugs should be the
solution of last resort used only when a dietary approach
does not work. And when I do have
to take a drug, I read the prescribing information several
times, look up the terms I don't know, google all the
newsgroups for messages from victims,
and then, if all checks out, I take a low dose and watch
very carefully to
see what it does.
-- Jenny
We don't always agree, Jenny, but I'm in total agreement
with your final paragraph. It's the side effects that will
only become apparent years downstream that concern me. I cringe when I hear of someone overloading their system with a drug (insulin usually) so they can eat to their hearts content. I've mentioned on more than a few occasions that simply because we produce(d) the hormone prior to us becoming diabetic, it's not sensible to pour in as much as we THINK we can, just so we can pig out, but how many do??? (Be honest, we've ALL done it, and some keep ON doing it) High levels of insulin aren't good for our hearts, but the locum for my own doctor once said to me "Use whatever you think is necessary, but keep off fatty foods"!!! It's the same with ANY drug, but we're not given enough information without us interrogating the doctors when they prescibe something. Beav
Answers:
"Jmmbear" <jmmbear~aol.com wrote in message news:20031112145241.07346.00001699~mb-m26.aol.com...
Subs- most shops will gladly turn the sub into a large
yummy salad.. Of course subway
charges more..Sigh.. But they do give you a bit more.. If I remember correctly, here in Oz a subway salad costs less than a sub. Must check it out, I know I can get a decent sized meal for relatively few $$$'s. The most substantial one is getting the meatball salad for some reason. And you can have any item they put on a sub for no extra cost (unless you want extra protein).
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"Jmmbear" <jmmbear~aol.com wrote in message news:20031113050455.22081.00001818~mb-m17.aol.com...
In article <vr5fkts4lmbm30~news.supernews.com, "Beav"
<beavis.original~ntloxoworld.com writes:
There've been a few people who had the number 1 side effect
of human insulin, but they didn't get the chance to talk to
their doctors once they'd
discovered it.
There're TV shows almost weekly about the side effects of
one drug or another (the most recent being Seroxet) but
they don't get watched if the clash with some stupid soap,
and they usually do.
The information is inside all drug packages, but not enough
people read the
inserts, or take the risks into account.
The simple Aspirin can kill.
Beav
I dont watch daytime shows and rarely watch the talk shows.. They're not daytime shows, they're prime time. Talk shows are banned in my place too. Usually it is the
newspaper, the news, books and shows at night..I was trying
to say, that for
many people unless it happens to someone you know, you dont
pay it much attention.. Yes you hear it, you think about it,
but you really dont concider
it..kwim? Hell, I never thought I would be diagnosed
Diabetic, never thought it possible.. I only heard of it once before I was dx'd :-) Beav
Answers:
Beav, In the US the drug manufacturers managed to change the laws so that pharmacists no longer give you the package inserts with your prescription. Instead you get a note listing a few major side effects or even, at some pharmacies, only a note telling you to talk to your doctor if you notice any unusual effects. Even when the prescribing info is available, I've found that many highly educated people seem to have a blind spot when it comes to understanding medical information. The very worst case I've run into was a professor of biology who did not see anything unusual in her recent loss, without dieting, of 20 lbs coupled with an insatiable thirst. When I suggested she needed a blood test, she told me she'd had a diabetic pregnancy 20 years before, but had such a lousy experience with doctors back then she'd never returned for another appointment. Speechless doesn't begin to express how I felt when I heard this, particularly as this woman ran a lab that was doing very well funded, world-class genetic research. Similarly, my mom was a top executive of a medical school years ago, and ran hundreds of conferences for medical professionals. I have never been able to get her to read up on a single medication she's been prescribed, even though she has severe drug allergies. She'll do whatever the doctor tells her. Her old doctor retired hastily and her new doctor never bothers to check her records before prescribing anything. Though she's had very serious reactions to cortisone in the past, this idiot prescribed prednisone for her asthma. Only the fact that she delayed going to the pharmacy until I found out about the prescription prevented what might have been a fatal reaction. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes "Beav" <beavis.original~ntloxoworld.com wrote in message news:vr5fkts4lmbm30~news.supernews.com...
"Jmmbear" <jmmbear~aol.com wrote in message
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In article <bos0ii$8o3$1~bob.news.rcn.net, "Jenny"
<lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com writes:
Jeanne,
There are many terrible side effects caused by common
drugs that the manufacturers have managed to hide from
the public. One huge problem is
that
drug manufacturers are not forced to distinguish between
permanent
effects
and transient effects. The drug that left me with
permanent tinnitus
lists
tinnitus as a side effect in its prescribing information,
but every
doctor I
saw assumed it would be temporary. It wasn't.
Similarly, Floxin drugs list neurological disturbances in
their list of
side
effects, but again, doctors assume they will be
transient. For a small number of people, they are
permanent. The book BITTER PILLS details the whole horror
story of people who have suffered permanent neurological
damage
from these drugs and the steps the manufacturers have
taken to hide these
problems from the public.
The only side effects that get attention after a drug is
released into
the
market are the ones that are fatal--to a lot of
people--in a way where there's a clear link between the
drug and the death. If a drug "only" causes permanent
impotence, tinnitus, memory loss, or relentless weight
gain it can and will be marketed and the manufacturers
will assure the customers that the side effect came from
something else.
Then they'll sell them another drug for the side effect.
That is why I feel so strongly that drugs should be the
solution of last
resort used only when a dietary approach does not work.
And when I do
have
to take a drug, I read the prescribing information
several times, look up
the terms I don't know, google all the newsgroups for
messages from
victims,
and then, if all checks out, I take a low dose and watch
very carefully
to
see what it does.
-- Jenny
Jenny, I never really knew about side affects with drugs..
Not really.. I
mean
you hear about them, but never meet anyone who had
anything permanent..
There've been a few people who had the number 1 side effect
of human insulin, but they didn't get the chance to talk to
their doctors once they'd
discovered it.
There're TV shows almost weekly about the side effects of
one drug or another (the most recent being Seroxet) but they
don't get watched if the clash with some stupid soap, and
they usually do.
The information is inside all drug packages, but not enough
people read the
inserts, or take the risks into account.
The simple Aspirin can kill.
Beav
Answers:
"Jenny" <lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com wrote in message news:bp05j7$1hk$1~bob.news.rcn.net...
Beav,
In the US the drug manufacturers managed to change the laws
so that pharmacists no longer give you the package inserts
with your prescription. Nice bit of lawmaking THAT was!!!
Instead you get a note listing a few major side effects or
even, at some pharmacies, only a note telling you to talk to
your doctor if you notice any
unusual effects. I suppose it'll happen here sometime, but it's not happened yet AFAIK.
Even when the prescribing info is available, I've found that
many highly educated people seem to have a blind spot when
it comes to understanding medical information. Oh yes indeedy. Far too many people place blind faith in their docs, but over the years, I've learned that doing that can lead to catastrophic failure :-)
The very worst case I've run into was a professor of biology
who did not see
anything unusual in her recent loss, without dieting, of 20
lbs coupled with
an insatiable thirst. When I suggested she needed a blood
test, she told me
she'd had a diabetic pregnancy 20 years before, but had such
a lousy experience with doctors back then she'd never
returned for another appointment. Speechless doesn't begin
to express how I felt when I heard this, particularly as
this woman ran a lab that was doing very well funded,
world-class genetic research. My ex doc asked my wife how long I'd need to take insulin when he discovered that (A) I was diabetic, and (B) he wasn't the one who picked up a single symptom. He also discovered that my right hand moves at lightning speed when I next saw him.
Similarly, my mom was a top executive of a medical school
years ago, and ran
hundreds of conferences for medical professionals. I have
never been able to
get her to read up on a single medication she's been
prescribed, even though
she has severe drug allergies. She'll do whatever the doctor
tells her. She's far from being out of the ordinary in that Jenny. My dad's the opposite. He'll read everything in the package and then develop the side effects just to curry sympathy. (He doesn't get it off me though) Her
old doctor retired hastily and her new doctor never bothers
to check her records before prescribing anything. Do ANY of them? I went for an "internal" a few weeks ago and the consultwat there said that my BG was a touch higher than it should be (it was 7.5 and it was PURPOSELY high because I'd no idea how long I'd be in the place with bugger all to eat or drink). I asked why he didn't know I was a T1 of 15 years, when it was only an hour or so before that his nurse had filled in yet ANOTHER bloody form outlining all the details of my medical history. He obviously never even picked the foirm up to glance at it. So no surprises there then! Though she's had very serious reactions
to cortisone in the past, this idiot prescribed prednisone
for her asthma. Only the fact that she delayed going to the
pharmacy until I found out about
the prescription prevented what might have been a fatal
reaction. Dare I say "Knobhead doctor"?? Well of course I can :-))) Beav
Answers:
On 14 Nov 2003 01:08:06 GMT, jmmbear~aol.com (Jmmbear) wrote:
In article <vr7bn4jmgcmo01~news.supernews.com, "Beav"
<beavis.original~ntloxoworld.com writes:
I only heard of it once before I was dx'd :-)
Beav
I had heard of it many times.. My grandmother was diagnosed
in her late 70s.. I always thought it only happend to the
elderly as a matter of course.. My daughter's friend is a
Type 1 for most of her life, so I had some knowledge of
it..Just never concidered it anything I had to worry about..
Sigh.. But, on the up side, Im healthier than I have been
in years and feel 100% better than I have in quite some
time... As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2
Diagnosed 05/28/02
189/154/120 In Australia they ran a TV campaign about the high numbers of undiagnosed diabetics. I remember commenting to my wife around Christmas 2001 that it was a bloody scare campaign - there couldn't possibly be that many as a percentage of the population. In Apr/May of '02 I was diagnosed. I hadn't the faintest idea it had anything to do with carbs, glucose etc. All I knew (or thought I knew) was that you shouldn't eat sugar. Sound familiar? Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
Answers:
Alan wrote:
On 14 Nov 2003 01:08:06 GMT, jmmbear~aol.com (Jmmbear)
wrote:
In article <vr7bn4jmgcmo01~news.supernews.com, "Beav"
<beavis.original~ntloxoworld.com writes:
I only heard of it once before I was dx'd :-)
Beav
I had heard of it many times.. My grandmother was diagnosed
in her late 70s.. I always thought it only happend to the
elderly as a matter of course.. My daughter's friend is a
Type 1 for most of her life, so I had some knowledge of
it..Just never concidered it anything I had to worry
about.. Sigh.. But, on the up side, Im healthier than I
have been in years and feel 100% better than I have in
quite some time... As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne
Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02
189/154/120
In Australia they ran a TV campaign about the high numbers
of undiagnosed diabetics. I remember commenting to my wife
around Christmas 2001 that it was a bloody scare campaign -
there couldn't possibly be that many as a percentage of the
population.
In Apr/May of '02 I was diagnosed. I hadn't the faintest
idea it had anything to do with carbs, glucose etc. All I
knew (or thought I knew) was that you shouldn't eat sugar.
Sound familiar?
Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough
exercise.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. They've had similar campaigns here in Canada. The Canadian Diabetes Association says half the diabetics don't know they have it. Scary. Vicki
Answers:
Jenny , Its pretty hard to understand all the fine print that almost requires a microscope to read on the package inserts . I think they should be manditory everywhere , though you almost have to have a medical dictionary to decipher all the medical jargon . I know jargon in my own fields that would make the medical comunity confused too , it would be nice for all of the potential side-effects to be in plain english . I guess the drug manufacturers just want to confuse . tim -- ....( remove the " 6 " to e-mail reply ) "Jenny" <lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com wrote in message news:bp05j7$1hk$1~bob.news.rcn.net...
Beav,
In the US the drug manufacturers managed to change the laws
so that pharmacists no longer give you the package inserts
with your prescription. Instead you get a note listing a few
major side effects or even, at some pharmacies, only a note
telling you to talk to your doctor if you notice any
unusual effects.
Even when the prescribing info is available, I've found that
many highly educated people seem to have a blind spot when
it comes to understanding medical information.
The very worst case I've run into was a professor of biology
who did not see
anything unusual in her recent loss, without dieting, of 20
lbs coupled with
an insatiable thirst. When I suggested she needed a blood
test, she told me
she'd had a diabetic pregnancy 20 years before, but had such
a lousy experience with doctors back then she'd never
returned for another appointment. Speechless doesn't begin
to express how I felt when I heard this, particularly as
this woman ran a lab that was doing very well funded,
world-class genetic research.
Similarly, my mom was a top executive of a medical school
years ago, and ran
hundreds of conferences for medical professionals. I have
never been able to
get her to read up on a single medication she's been
prescribed, even though
she has severe drug allergies. She'll do whatever the doctor
tells her. Her
old doctor retired hastily and her new doctor never bothers
to check her records before prescribing anything. Though
she's had very serious reactions
to cortisone in the past, this idiot prescribed prednisone
for her asthma. Only the fact that she delayed going to the
pharmacy until I found out about
the prescription prevented what might have been a fatal
reaction.
-- Jenny
Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!
Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c
5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure"
for Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low
Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? *
Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do
Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet
is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for
People with Diabetes
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In article <bos0ii$8o3$1~bob.news.rcn.net, "Jenny"
<lottadatacarbs~hotmail.com writes:
Jeanne,
There are many terrible side effects caused by common
drugs that the manufacturers have managed to hide from
the public. One huge problem is
that
drug manufacturers are not forced to distinguish
between permanent
effects
and transient effects. The drug that left me with
permanent tinnitus
lists
tinnitus as a side effect in its prescribing
information, but every
doctor I
saw assumed it would be temporary. It wasn't.
Similarly, Floxin drugs list neurological disturbances
in their list of
side
effects, but again, doctors assume they will be
transient. For a small
number of people, they are permanent. The book BITTER
PILLS details the
whole horror story of people who have suffered
permanent neurological
damage
from these drugs and the steps the manufacturers have
taken to hide
these
problems from the public.
The only side effects that get attention after a drug
is released into
the
market are the ones that are fatal--to a lot of
people--in a way where
there's a clear link between the drug and the death. If
a drug "only" causes permanent impotence, tinnitus,
memory loss, or
relentless weight gain it can and will be marketed and
the
manufacturers
will assure the customers that the side effect came
from something
else.
Then they'll sell them another drug for the side
effect.
That is why I feel so strongly that drugs should be the
solution of
last
resort used only when a dietary approach does not work.
And when I do
have
to take a drug, I read the prescribing information
several times, look
up
the terms I don't know, google all the newsgroups for
messages from
victims,
and then, if all checks out, I take a low dose and
watch very carefully
to
see what it does.
-- Jenny
Jenny, I never really knew about side affects with
drugs.. Not really..
I
mean
you hear about them, but never meet anyone who had
anything permanent..
There've been a few people who had the number 1 side
effect of human insulin, but they didn't get the chance to
talk to their doctors once
they'd
discovered it.
There're TV shows almost weekly about the side effects of
one drug or another (the most recent being Seroxet) but
they don't get watched if the
clash with some stupid soap, and they usually do.
The information is inside all drug packages, but not
enough people read
the
inserts, or take the risks into account.
The simple Aspirin can kill.
Beav
Diabetes With People