Question:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry. Hi there Chuck, I've been reading your posts recently, and am coming to the conclusion that you are somehow still in denial about the tough facts involved in managing T2 diabetes. Sure, you got away with eating a higher carb diet than most of us, but it's starting to catch up with you. Yet you still seem to be eating what you know is "iffy", and looking at any explanation rather than the one you don't want to know about - that you are eating too many high carb foods. One of the hardest things we all have to face is that life will NOT be the same again. Never again will we be able to just eat whatever is convenient or what we used to enjoy, without carefully consideration of it's impact on our bg levels. We absolutely HAVE to think about what we are eating, all the time, every meal. Of course, once we have things controlled, and have sorted out what to leave and what to eat, and how much, the decisions are pretty automatic. It gets easier. But we can't ever forget. Eating will never again be a careless act. It takes self-discipline, self-denial, and it may take some time to see the results you are desiring in terms of having good bg levels again. Of course you can choose to ignore these things, but you can't fool Mother Nature, as Guy often says. It really is a case of "ignore it now, pay later". Now, you may not like what I am saying, and others may also disagree. I'm only posting this for your sake, and for your future health and well being. I get no ego trip, no reward personally for saying these things. Perhaps if you read Jennifer's Advice to Newbies again, and think about it all over again, you may realise that you have been trying to get away with things that deep down you know aren't wise, or in your own best interests. It takes guts to face reality. You don't strike me as a man who runs from a challenge. Will you bite the bullet? Annette --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03
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Annette, A thoughtful, caring post. It's such a delicate balance to keep the level of vigilence required to survive with diabetes and still live a life that doesn't feel like it's riddled with self-denial. Almost five years into the process by now I've been through all the stages and expect to cycle through them for many years more: 1. "I've got it beat!" This one happens about a month after you've gotten your blood sugar under control using some very stringent method that will be much harder to sustain than you can imagine when you are in the first flush of enthusiasm. 2. "It's not fair!" This one kicks in after a year or two when it hits you that you really won't ever be able to enjoy a pecan danish with your coffee or a hot fudge sundae. 3. "Who wants to live forever" This one kicks in right before you eat the danish, but quickly abates when you feel so sick afterwards that there's no ignoring what you've done to yourself. 4. "I'll just take this pill." This one works great until the side effects start piling up, or the blood sugar starts creeping up again. 5. "Damn. I know what works. Guess I'll have to go back to doing it." I hit this one after my first major diabetes-related health crisis that occured after following strategy #4 above. And so it goes. I'm still working towards finding some kind of middle ground that controls my sugars without making me cut out everything I've ever liked to eat, but I'd be dishonest if I said it was easy. -- Jenny 5.1/141 6/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work? "Annette" <acianthus~bigpond.com wrote in message news:beoope$7fh19$1~ID-194908.news.uni-berlin.de...
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry.
Hi there Chuck,
I've been reading your posts recently, and am coming to the
conclusion that you are somehow still in denial about the
tough facts involved in managing T2 diabetes.
Sure, you got away with eating a higher carb diet than most
of us, but it's starting to catch up with you. Yet you still
seem to be eating what you know is "iffy", and looking at
any explanation rather than the one you don't want to know
about - that you are eating too many high carb foods.
One of the hardest things we all have to face is that life
will NOT be the same again. Never again will we be able to
just eat whatever is convenient or what we used to enjoy,
without carefully consideration of it's impact on our bg
levels. We absolutely HAVE to think about what we are
eating, all the time, every meal. Of course, once we have
things controlled, and have sorted out what to leave and
what to eat, and how much, the decisions are pretty
automatic. It gets easier. But we can't ever forget. Eating
will never again be a careless act. It takes
self-discipline, self-denial, and it may take some time to
see the results you are desiring in terms of having good bg
levels again.
Of course you can choose to ignore these things, but you
can't fool Mother Nature, as Guy often says. It really is a
case of "ignore it now, pay later".
Now, you may not like what I am saying, and others may also
disagree. I'm only posting this for your sake, and for your
future health and well being. I get no ego trip, no reward
personally for saying these things.
Perhaps if you read Jennifer's Advice to Newbies again, and
think about it all over again, you may realise that you have
been trying to get away with things that deep down you know
aren't wise, or in your own best interests.
It takes guts to face reality. You don't strike me as a man
who runs from a challenge. Will you bite the bullet?
Annette
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:43:36 +1000, "Annette" <acianthus~bigpond.com wrote:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry.
Hi there Chuck, I've been reading your posts recently, and am
coming to the conclusion that you are somehow still in denial
about the tough facts involved in managing T2 diabetes.
Sure, you got away with eating a higher carb diet than
most of us, [snip]
Annette FWIW I thought the same as you based upon recent posts. It does take a while for it to sink in and we all do accept things at a differing rate from each other. Not long after I started posting here [and I came to learn, because there was no other help that would have been of use to me] I remember someone posting the phrase "this diabetes thing is ok, I am healthier now than I have ever been". I remember thinking at the time that the poster must have been in one hell of a shit state before then. Now I too see the light. I admit freely that I am now better off that I was. I look better [less weight] I feel better and I now understand a lot more than I did about how my body works. I am more in tune with this body of mine and treat it with more respect than I did. On Friday, I bumped into someone I have known for a long time but rarely speak to at any length. They appologised for a comment they had made saying they were sorry and didn't know I was a diabetic. [As if that was the reason for something] My reply was simple "that's ok don't worry about it". The other replied "how are you doing anyway"? and I responded - ""this diabetes thing is ok, I am healthier now than I have ever been". "You might try it - if you are not careful". Lol - wicked of me I know but I just had to. Acceptance is the single most important thing. Unless it is unconditional then there will be no progress and months of wasted effort. HTH Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
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Annette I feel no anger or any other negative emotion whatever with what you have written. It shows me that you care. What has been most perplexing to me has been the times when I have eaten low carb and my numbers went up; and then at other times deciding to eat a full dinner at a family gathering or whatever and having my numbers raise by only five to ten points. At other times when my numbers have run amuck I have been able to go back, eat what I normally have since developing diabetes, and come out with normal numbers or found what food was spiking me. Then if I avoided the food that caused me problems, I did fine. We just got home from the movie and a little shopping. Two hours after the popcorn and diet soda I am at 138. No complaint there. You subject line is amusing. Being a recovering alcoholic I know all about denial and what havoc it can cause in one's life. Am I in denial at this point? Possibly. OTOH I said when I came to this newsgroup that I refuse to be a slave to this disease and I still believe I can maintain good control, as I have in the past, and enjoy good food with proper self discipline. If it comes down to a choice between eating almost no foods containing carbohydrates and using insulin, I will opt for the insulin. I am not now, nor have I ever been much of a carnivore. I am not ready to substitute the flesh of animals for food I enjoy. That being said, I can eat more salads. Just bought the fixings for guzpacho again. I am not one of those people that gets a large salad and then loads it down with oodles of dressing and high carb or high fat extra ingredients. For me I believe the answer is portion size rather than out and out denial of foods we enjoy. Also, the avoidance of consuming multiple carb heavy foods together. I do practice self discipline most of the time and self denial, but only up to a point. I see the fanatics that live a monks existence and while that works for them it is not for me. There was a time when I would have considered your argument to be preaching, but I know you do it out of genuine concern for my well-being and I very much appreciate that. I do hope I have not rambled too much in my reply. After all I composed half of it before we left for the movie and the other half now. Annette wrote:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry.
Hi there Chuck,
I've been reading your posts recently, and am coming to the
conclusion that you are somehow still in denial about the
tough facts involved in managing T2 diabetes.
Sure, you got away with eating a higher carb diet than most
of us, but it's starting to catch up with you. Yet you still
seem to be eating what you know is "iffy", and looking at
any explanation rather than the one you don't want to know
about - that you are eating too many high carb foods.
One of the hardest things we all have to face is that life
will NOT be the same again. Never again will we be able to
just eat whatever is convenient or what we used to enjoy,
without carefully consideration of it's impact on our bg
levels. We absolutely HAVE to think about what we are
eating, all the time, every meal. Of course, once we have
things controlled, and have sorted out what to leave and
what to eat, and how much, the decisions are pretty
automatic. It gets easier. But we can't ever forget. Eating
will never again be a careless act. It takes
self-discipline, self-denial, and it may take some time to
see the results you are desiring in terms of having good bg
levels again.
Of course you can choose to ignore these things, but you
can't fool Mother Nature, as Guy often says. It really is a
case of "ignore it now, pay later".
Now, you may not like what I am saying, and others may also
disagree. I'm only posting this for your sake, and for your
future health and well being. I get no ego trip, no reward
personally for saying these things.
Perhaps if you read Jennifer's Advice to Newbies again, and
think about it all over again, you may realise that you have
been trying to get away with things that deep down you know
aren't wise, or in your own best interests.
It takes guts to face reality. You don't strike me as a man
who runs from a challenge. Will you bite the bullet?
Annette
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/ Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03 -- Chuck -τΏτ- ~
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Jenny wrote:
Annette,
A thoughtful, caring post.
It's such a delicate balance to keep the level of vigilence
required to survive with diabetes and still live a life that
doesn't feel like it's riddled with self-denial. Almost five
years into the process by now I've been through all the
stages and expect to cycle through them for many years more:
1. "I've got it beat!" This one happens about a month after
you've gotten your blood sugar under control using some
very stringent method that will be much harder to sustain
than you can imagine when you are in the first flush of
enthusiasm. Been there. Done that. Bad choice!
2. "It's not fair!" This one kicks in after a year or two
when it hits you that you really won't ever be able to
enjoy a pecan danish with your coffee or a hot fudge
sundae. Never had the first one and I haven't had the second since years before diabetes. I indulge in the fried ice cream on my birthday, Laurie's birthday and our wedding anniversary. We always share one serving and never finish it.
3. "Who wants to live forever" This one kicks in right
before you eat the danish, but quickly abates when you
feel so sick afterwards that there's no ignoring what
you've done to yourself. Ew! Seen too many friends and acquaintances suffer the terrible effects of this disease and even die for that one to kick in.
4. "I'll just take this pill." This one works great until
the side effects start piling up, or the blood sugar
starts creeping up again.
Same as the last answer.
5. "Damn. I know what works. Guess I'll have to go back to
doing it." That is where I am at right now. Other than this morning, I am not complaining about today so far. Just finished dinner. We will see in a couple hours how that went.
I hit this one after my first major diabetes-related health
crisis that occured after following strategy #4 above.
And so it goes. I'm still working towards finding some kind
of middle ground that controls my sugars without making me
cut out everything I've ever liked to eat, but I'd be
dishonest if I said it was easy.
-- Jenny
168.5/141
9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now
-- Chuck -τΏτ- ~
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Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:43:36 +1000, "Annette"
<acianthus~bigpond.com wrote:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry.
Hi there Chuck, I've been reading your posts recently, and
am coming to the conclusion that you are somehow still in
denial about the tough facts involved in managing T2
diabetes.
Sure, you got away with eating a higher carb diet than
most of us,
[snip]
Annette
FWIW I thought the same as you based upon recent posts. It
does take a while for it to sink in and we all do accept
things at a differing rate from each other.
Not long after I started posting here [and I came to learn,
because there was no other help that would have been of use
to me] I remember someone posting the phrase "this diabetes
thing is ok, I am healthier now than I have ever been". I
remember thinking at the time that the poster must have been
in one hell of a shit state before then.
Now I too see the light. I admit freely that I am now better
off that I was. I look better [less weight] I feel better
and I now understand a lot more than I did about how my body
works. I am more in tune with this body of mine and treat it
with more respect than I did.
On Friday, I bumped into someone I have known for a long
time but rarely speak to at any length. They appologised for
a comment they had made saying they were sorry and didn't
know I was a diabetic. [As if that was the reason for
something] My reply was simple "that's ok don't worry about
it". The other replied "how are you doing anyway"? and I
responded - ""this diabetes thing is ok, I am healthier now
than I have ever been". "You might try it - if you are not
careful".
Lol - wicked of me I know but I just had to.
Acceptance is the single most important thing. Unless it is
unconditional then there will be no progress and months of
wasted effort.
HTH
Pete
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide That was an excellent come back to your acquaintance, Pete. Even though I am currently on a washboard with my numbers, I still feel better than twenty years back before I developed diabetes. I have had it since late summer of '96. I had surgery in early '96 and there was no sign of it at that time. Imagine the shock when I was diagnosed only a few months later. -- Chuck -τΏτ- ~
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Chuck , I have to agree with Annette, I hope you wont be offended, but you dont behave like a compliant diabetic and it will catch up with you Your numbers are high and complications are setting in with every bg over 160. Something needs to change, I like you and want you to stay healthy as long as possible. I used to be the Queen of de Nile, It took a long time, but I am now Ms. Face Up. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
Answers:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:46:12 GMT, "Mrs. or Mr. Perry" <DELETE_THISLperry1940~mchsi.com wrote:
Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:43:36 +1000, "Annette"
<acianthus~bigpond.com wrote:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry.
Hi there Chuck, I've been reading your posts recently, and
am coming to the conclusion that you are somehow still in
denial about the tough facts involved in managing T2
diabetes.
Sure, you got away with eating a higher carb diet than
most of us,
[snip]
Annette
FWIW I thought the same as you based upon recent posts. It
does take a while for it to sink in and we all do accept
things at a differing rate from each other.
Not long after I started posting here [and I came to learn,
because there was no other help that would have been of use
to me] I remember someone posting the phrase "this diabetes
thing is ok, I am healthier now than I have ever been". I
remember thinking at the time that the poster must have
been in one hell of a shit state before then.
Now I too see the light. I admit freely that I am now
better off that I was. I look better [less weight] I feel
better and I now understand a lot more than I did about how
my body works. I am more in tune with this body of mine and
treat it with more respect than I did.
On Friday, I bumped into someone I have known for a long
time but rarely speak to at any length. They appologised
for a comment they had made saying they were sorry and
didn't know I was a diabetic. [As if that was the reason
for something] My reply was simple "that's ok don't worry
about it". The other replied "how are you doing anyway"?
and I responded - ""this diabetes thing is ok, I am
healthier now than I have ever been". "You might try it -
if you are not careful".
Lol - wicked of me I know but I just had to.
Acceptance is the single most important thing. Unless it is
unconditional then there will be no progress and months of
wasted effort.
HTH
Pete
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
That was an excellent come back to your acquaintance, Pete.
Even though I am currently on a washboard with my numbers, I
still feel better than twenty years back before I developed
diabetes. I have had it since late summer of '96. I had
surgery in early '96 and there was no sign of it at that
time. Imagine the shock when I was diagnosed only a few
months later. Yes I can imagine. Last year i badly injured my back and required spinal injections. Because of the nature of the injections, I had to have blood tests to detect any condition that might be made worse by the injections. They found an anomaly and checked further. At this point in time I was not Diabetic. Else they would not have carried out the procedures. Then from November to March this year I had to detox from Tramadol. Then I get told I am diabetic after loosing nearly a stone in weight and a high percentage of the tissue in my upper thighs. Imagine that shock after that lot . And especially since prior to that i was fortunate to have enjoyed perfect health. But, the reality is that although I had good health, I was over weight and I s'pose that had diabetes not come along, something else might have. At least with this I have a fighting chance. It could be much worse and the reality is that I am lucky to have been diagnosed as early on as I was. That is the main reason that motivates me I think. I cannot afford to waste the advantage. I read your other responses and have a clearer picture than before. I did not realise you were recovering from another problem as well. In which case I shall now sit back and ponder on that for a while. I am not so sure I could deal with that as well. So it seems a little stupid of me to have suggested that you were in denial. You clearly know all about that and have far more to deal with than I. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
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"Mrs. or Mr. Perry" <DELETE_THISLperry1940~mchsi.com wrote in message news:3F108FC4.EE9C4696~mchsi.com...
Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:43:36 +1000, "Annette"
<acianthus~bigpond.com wrote:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry.
Hi there Chuck, I've been reading your posts recently,
and am coming to the conclusion that you are somehow
still in denial about the tough facts involved in
managing T2 diabetes.
Sure, you got away with eating a higher carb diet than
most of us,
[snip]
Annette
FWIW I thought the same as you based upon recent posts. It
does take a while for it to sink in and we all do accept
things at a differing rate from each other.
Not long after I started posting here [and I came to
learn, because there was no other help that would have
been of use to me] I remember someone posting the phrase
"this diabetes thing is ok, I am healthier now than I
have ever been". I remember thinking at the time that
the poster must have been in one hell of a shit state
before then.
Now I too see the light. I admit freely that I am now
better off that I was. I look better [less weight] I feel
better and I now understand a lot more than I did about
how my body works. I am more in tune with this body of
mine and treat it with more respect than I did.
On Friday, I bumped into someone I have known for a long
time but rarely speak to at any length. They appologised
for a comment they had made saying they were sorry and
didn't know I was a diabetic. [As if that was the reason
for something] My reply was simple "that's ok don't worry
about it". The other replied "how are you doing anyway"?
and I responded - ""this diabetes thing is ok, I am
healthier now than I have ever been". "You might try it -
if you are not careful".
Lol - wicked of me I know but I just had to.
Acceptance is the single most important thing. Unless it
is unconditional then there will be no progress and months
of wasted effort.
HTH
Pete
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
That was an excellent come back to your acquaintance, Pete.
Even though I am currently on a washboard with my numbers, I
still feel better than twenty years back before I developed
diabetes. I have had it since late summer of '96. I had
surgery in early '96 and there was no sign of it at that
time. Imagine the shock when I was diagnosed only a few
months later.
--
Chuck -τΏτ- ~ I was on Lithium and Seroquel which are both meds known for weight gain. Then I had two consecutive surgeries for ulnar nerve. The second one was the end of April. The end of May I started having reactions to the meds and was put on Zyprexa which caused even more weight gain. (There have been studies on the meds and they do slow down metabolism. I was exercising and eating a healthy non-diabetic diet at the time.) By Oct. I was diagnosed diabetic with an A1c of 10.8. No wonder I was feeling like crap. I don't know if I was diabetic at the time of surgery. I probably was pre-diabetic and the surgery pushed me over the edge. It is interesting though. Last week I was cleaning out some drawers and I found some medical records from '93. I showed elevated cholesterol and trigs at that time. I was not overweight then, though. That's what makes me think I was pre-diabetic, or impaired glucose tolerance, at the time of surgery. Too bad I wasn't checked back in '93. Oh well, can't do anything about that now. c
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Hi Loretta, First of all, I and other told you some time back that it isn't always easy to tell what posting your are referring to when you do not post it with your reply. You did that for awhile and then went back to this style. I, for one, am not a mind reader so sometimes I think you are talking about one thing when you are in reality talking about something else entirely. Loretta Eisenberg wrote:
Chuck , I have to agree with Annette, I hope you wont be
offended, but you dont behave like a compliant diabetic and
it will catch up with you com-pli-ant (km-plint)adj. Disposed or willing to comply; submissive. See Synonyms at obedient. --------------------------------------------------------- Excerpted from American Heritage Talking Dictionary Copyright © 1997 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Submissive to what? I don't understand your meaning.
Your numbers are high and complications are setting in with
every bg over 160. Well, Sweetie, all I had for a snack last night was one small fresh peach. This morning my FBG was 156. That is as high or higher than it would have been if I had usually bedtime snack. Our mid evening snack was 2 pieces of cheese. If I see no improvement through eating low carb then what is the point?
Something needs to change, I like you and want you to stay
healthy as long as possible. You, me and Laurie too. Oh, forgot my kids, grandkids, friends, maybe even some that are not friends.
I used to be the Queen of de Nile, It took a long time, but
I am now
Ms. Face Up.
Loretta
--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State of
Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with
strife and terrorism. If you read my reply to Pete earlier today you will see what I am dealing with. I love you dearly, Loretta and I will listen closely too you. That being said, I do not respond well at all to being preached to or talked down to. Being a person with an addictive personality I sometimes have a very thin skin and may give a knee-jerk reaction unthinkingly. Please bear with me if this happens. -- Chuck -τΏτ- ~
Answers:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:43:34 -0500, "Colleen" <{oopsh_5~hotmail.com} wrote:
"Mrs. or Mr. Perry" <DELETE_THISLperry1940~mchsi.com wrote
in message news:3F108FC4.EE9C4696~mchsi.com...
Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:43:36 +1000, "Annette"
<acianthus~bigpond.com wrote:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry. Hi there Chuck, [snip]
I was on Lithium and Seroquel which are both meds known for
weight gain. Then I had two consecutive surgeries for ulnar
nerve. The second one was the end of April. The end of May I
started having reactions to the meds and was put on Zyprexa
which caused even more weight gain. (There have been studies
on the meds and they do slow down metabolism. I was
exercising and eating a healthy non-diabetic diet at the
time.) By Oct. I was diagnosed diabetic with an A1c of 10.8.
No wonder I was feeling like crap.
I don't know if I was diabetic at the time of surgery. I
probably was pre-diabetic and the surgery pushed me over
the edge.
It is interesting though. Last week I was cleaning out some
drawers and I found some medical records from '93. I showed
elevated cholesterol and trigs at that time. I was not
overweight then, though. That's what makes me think I was
pre-diabetic, or impaired glucose tolerance, at the time of
surgery. Too bad I wasn't checked back in '93. Oh well, can't
do anything about that now. No that's true but it is a good thing to know to work out how it happened. It can give a clearer idea of from what basis you move on from. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
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Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:46:12 GMT, "Mrs. or Mr. Perry"
<DELETE_THISLperry1940~mchsi.com wrote:
Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:43:36 +1000, "Annette"
<acianthus~bigpond.com wrote:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry.
Hi there Chuck, I've been reading your posts recently,
and am coming to the conclusion that you are somehow
still in denial about the tough facts involved in
managing T2 diabetes.
Sure, you got away with eating a higher carb diet than
most of us,
[snip]
Annette
FWIW I thought the same as you based upon recent posts.
It does take a while for it to sink in and we all do
accept things at a differing rate from each other.
Not long after I started posting here [and I came to
learn, because there was no other help that would have
been of use to me] I remember someone posting the phrase
"this diabetes thing is ok, I am healthier now than I
have ever been". I remember thinking at the time that the
poster must have been in one hell of a shit state before
then.
Now I too see the light. I admit freely that I am now
better off that I was. I look better [less weight] I feel
better and I now understand a lot more than I did about
how my body works. I am more in tune with this body of
mine and treat it with more respect than I did.
On Friday, I bumped into someone I have known for a long
time but rarely speak to at any length. They appologised
for a comment they had made saying they were sorry and
didn't know I was a diabetic. [As if that was the reason
for something] My reply was simple "that's ok don't worry
about it". The other replied "how are you doing anyway"?
and I responded - ""this diabetes thing is ok, I am
healthier now than I have ever been". "You might try it -
if you are not careful".
Lol - wicked of me I know but I just had to.
Acceptance is the single most important thing. Unless it
is unconditional then there will be no progress and
months of wasted effort.
HTH
Pete
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
That was an excellent come back to your acquaintance, Pete.
Even though I am currently on a washboard with my numbers,
I still feel better than twenty years back before I
developed diabetes. I have had it since late summer of '96.
I had surgery in early '96 and there was no sign of it at
that time. Imagine the shock when I was diagnosed only a
few months later.
Yes I can imagine.
Last year i badly injured my back and required spinal
injections. Because of the nature of the injections, I had
to have blood tests to detect any condition that might be
made worse by the injections. They found an anomaly and
checked further. At this point in time I was not Diabetic.
Else they would not have carried out the procedures.
Then from November to March this year I had to detox from
Tramadol. Then I get told I am diabetic after loosing nearly
a stone in weight and a high percentage of the tissue in my
upper thighs. Imagine that shock after that lot . And
especially since prior to that i was fortunate to have
enjoyed perfect health.
But, the reality is that although I had good health, I was
over weight and I s'pose that had diabetes not come along,
something else might have. At least with this I have a
fighting chance. It could be much worse and the reality is
that I am lucky to have been diagnosed as early on as I was.
That is the main reason that motivates me I think. I cannot
afford to waste the advantage.
I read your other responses and have a clearer picture than
before. I did not realise you were recovering from another
problem as well. In which case I shall now sit back and
ponder on that for a while. I am not so sure I could deal
with that as well. So it seems a little stupid of me to have
suggested that you were in denial. You clearly know all
about that and have far more to deal with than I.
Pete
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide LOL Thanks Pete. Just because I am familiar with denial does not mean that I cannot fall into its web again. The one side effect of diabetes that I have not seen discussed yet in this thread is _depression_. I think because of the very nature of this disease and how we must handle it depression is hiding in the wings all of the time just waiting for a chance to pounce on us. Many of us go through a period of depression soon after diagnosis and after that passes believe we are done with it. Then along comes some sort of setback and BANG!, there it is again. I have been asking myself if I am depressed right now and if so, how badly. These high numbers are certainly worrisome and I think I am understandably mildly depressed. I will mention that to the doctor on Friday. Don't want to take antidepressants again. Don't care for the side effects. Most of them kill the libido completely, and for those of us diabetics that still enjoy and active sex life we don't care to give it up so easily. Gotta go watch my wife mow the lawn. Aw, shucks! I'll probably do some work out there too. It is a beautiful 78F and I shouldn't be here at the computer. Thanks again, Pete. -- Chuck -τΏτ- ~
Answers:
Chuck, Talk to your doc about Wellbutrin if you need an antidepressant. It doesn't have the sexual side effects that SSRI's have. I like it because it doesn't leave me feeling flat and brain dead. c "Mrs. or Mr. Perry" <DELETE_THISLperry1940~mchsi.com wrote in message news:3F119A29.F04A83F1~mchsi.com...
Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:46:12 GMT, "Mrs. or Mr. Perry"
<DELETE_THISLperry1940~mchsi.com wrote:
Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:43:36 +1000, "Annette"
<acianthus~bigpond.com wrote:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry.
Hi there Chuck, I've been reading your posts recently,
and am coming to the conclusion that you are somehow
still in denial about the tough facts involved in
managing T2 diabetes.
Sure, you got away with eating a higher carb diet than
most of us,
[snip]
Annette
FWIW I thought the same as you based upon recent posts.
It does take a while for it to sink in and we all do
accept things at a differing rate from each other.
Not long after I started posting here [and I came to
learn, because there was no other help that would have
been of use to me] I remember someone posting the
phrase "this diabetes thing is ok, I am healthier now
than I have ever been". I remember thinking at the time
that the poster must have been in one hell of a shit
state before then.
Now I too see the light. I admit freely that I am now
better off that I was. I look better [less weight] I
feel better and I now understand a lot more than I did
about how my body works. I am more in tune with this
body of mine and treat it with more respect than I did.
On Friday, I bumped into someone I have known for a
long time but rarely speak to at any length. They
appologised for a comment they had made saying they
were sorry and didn't know I was a diabetic. [As if
that was the reason for something] My reply was simple
"that's ok don't worry about it". The other replied
"how are you doing anyway"? and I responded - ""this
diabetes thing is ok, I am healthier now than I have
ever been". "You might try it - if you are not
careful".
Lol - wicked of me I know but I just had to.
Acceptance is the single most important thing. Unless
it is unconditional then there will be no progress and
months of wasted effort.
HTH
Pete
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
That was an excellent come back to your acquaintance,
Pete. Even though I am currently on a washboard with my
numbers, I still feel better than twenty years back
before I developed diabetes. I have had it
since late summer of '96. I had surgery in early '96 and
there was no sign of it at that time. Imagine the shock
when I was diagnosed only a few months later.
Yes I can imagine.
Last year i badly injured my back and required spinal
injections. Because of the nature of the injections, I had
to have blood tests to detect any condition that might be
made worse by the injections. They found an anomaly and
checked further. At this point in time I was not Diabetic.
Else they would not have carried out the procedures.
Then from November to March this year I had to detox from
Tramadol. Then I get told I am diabetic after loosing
nearly a stone in weight and a high percentage of the
tissue in my upper thighs. Imagine that shock after that
lot . And especially since prior to that i was fortunate
to have enjoyed perfect health.
But, the reality is that although I had good health, I was
over weight and I s'pose that had diabetes not come along,
something else might have. At least with this I have a
fighting chance. It could be much worse and the reality is
that I am lucky to have been diagnosed as early on as I
was. That is the main reason that motivates me I think. I
cannot afford to waste the advantage.
I read your other responses and have a clearer picture
than before. I did not realise you were recovering from
another problem as well. In which case I shall now sit
back and ponder on that for a while. I am not so sure I
could deal with that as well. So it seems a little stupid
of me to have suggested that you were in denial. You
clearly know all about that and have far more to deal with
than I.
Pete
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
LOL Thanks Pete. Just because I am familiar with denial does
not mean that I cannot fall into
its web again. The one side effect of diabetes that I have
not seen discussed yet in this thread is _depression_. I
think because of the very nature of this disease and how we
must handle it depression is hiding in the wings all of the time
just waiting for a chance to pounce on us. Many of us go
through a period of
depression soon after diagnosis and after that passes
believe we are done with it. Then along comes some sort of
setback and BANG!, there it is again.
I have been asking myself if I am depressed right now and
if so, how badly.
These high numbers are certainly worrisome and I think I am
understandably mildly depressed. I will mention that to the
doctor on Friday. Don't want to
take antidepressants again. Don't care for the side effects.
Most of them kill the libido completely, and for those of us
diabetics that still enjoy and active sex life we don't care
to give it up so easily.
Gotta go watch my wife mow the lawn. Aw, shucks! I'll
probably do some work
out there too. It is a beautiful 78F and I shouldn't be
here at the computer.
Thanks again, Pete.
--
Chuck -τΏτ- ~
Answers:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:42:41 GMT, "Mrs. or Mr. Perry" <DELETE_THISLperry1940~mchsi.com wrote:
Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:46:12 GMT, "Mrs. or Mr. Perry"
<DELETE_THISLperry1940~mchsi.com wrote:
Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:43:36 +1000, "Annette"
<acianthus~bigpond.com wrote:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry. Hi there Chuck, [snip]
LOL Thanks Pete. Just because I am familiar with denial does
not mean that I cannot fall into its web again. The one side
effect of diabetes that I have not seen discussed yet in this
thread is _depression_. I think because of the very nature of
this disease and how we must handle it depression is hiding
in the wings all of the time just waiting for a chance to
pounce on us. Many of us go through a period of depression
soon after diagnosis and after that passes believe we are
done with it. Then along comes some sort of setback and
BANG!, there it is again. I have been asking myself if I am
depressed right now and if so, how badly. These high numbers
are certainly worrisome and I think I am understandably
mildly depressed. I will mention that to the doctor on
Friday. Don't want to take antidepressants again. Don't care
for the side effects. Most of them kill the libido
completely, and for those of us diabetics that still enjoy
and active sex life we don't care to give it up so easily.
Gotta go watch my wife mow the lawn. Aw, shucks! I'll
probably do some work out there too. It is a beautiful 78F
and I shouldn't be here at the computer. Thanks again, Pete. Depression is a bummer, i have a rare form of Migraine and one of the symptoms is a creeping depression that moves on you so slowly you do not realise it is happening. In fact the first realisation that I have had an attack is when it has gone. I wake up and Its as if I am 20 years old again and I am on a high for days. Fortunately, I dont get many attacks and since being dx'd I have not hade one so with a bit of luck, diabetes might have somehow stopped that. We will see. Cheers Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
Answers:
Was on Wellbutrin for over a year. It completely killed my sex drive and if I did manage to want sex I could not reach a climax. Have any idea what kind of a mood a man is in if he has had sex for an hour and cannot climax? That is why I went off of it. That is also why the doctor switched me from Prozac to Zoloft to Wellbutrin. The one nice thing about it is you don't care. The doctor said ti was not a good thing, though. Colleen wrote:
Chuck, Talk to your doc about Wellbutrin if you need an
antidepressant. It doesn't have the sexual side effects that
SSRI's have. I like it because it doesn't leave me feeling
flat and brain dead. c
"Mrs. or Mr. Perry" <DELETE_THISLperry1940~mchsi.com wrote
in message news:3F119A29.F04A83F1~mchsi.com...
Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:46:12 GMT, "Mrs. or Mr. Perry"
<DELETE_THISLperry1940~mchsi.com wrote:
Pete wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:43:36 +1000, "Annette"
<acianthus~bigpond.com wrote:
This post is for Chuck, ie Mr Perry.
Hi there Chuck, I've been reading your posts
recently, and am coming to the conclusion that you
are somehow still in denial about the tough facts
involved in managing T2 diabetes.
Sure, you got away with eating a higher carb diet
than most of us,
[snip]
Annette
FWIW I thought the same as you based upon recent
posts. It does take a while for it to sink in and we
all do accept things at a differing rate from each
other.
Not long after I started posting here [and I came to
learn, because there was no other help that would
have been of use to me] I remember someone posting
the phrase "this diabetes thing is ok, I am healthier
now than I have ever been". I remember thinking at
the time that the poster must have been in one hell
of a shit state before then.
Now I too see the light. I admit freely that I am now
better off that I was. I look better [less weight] I
feel better and I now understand a lot more than I
did about how my body works. I am more in tune with
this body of mine and treat it with more respect than
I did.
On Friday, I bumped into someone I have known for a
long time but rarely speak to at any length. They
appologised for a comment they had made saying they
were sorry and didn't know I was a diabetic. [As if
that was the reason for something] My reply was
simple "that's ok don't worry about it". The other
replied "how are you doing anyway"? and I responded -
""this diabetes thing is ok, I am healthier now than
I have ever been". "You might try it - if you are not
careful".
Lol - wicked of me I know but I just had to.
Acceptance is the single most important thing. Unless
it is unconditional then there will be no progress
and months of wasted effort.
HTH
Pete
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin +
Gliclazide
That was an excellent come back to your acquaintance,
Pete. Even though I am currently on a washboard with my
numbers, I still feel better than twenty years back
before I developed diabetes. I have had
it
since late summer of '96. I had surgery in early '96
and there was no sign of it at that time. Imagine the
shock when I was diagnosed only a few months later.
Yes I can imagine.
Last year i badly injured my back and required spinal
injections. Because of the nature of the injections, I
had to have blood tests to detect any condition that
might be made worse by the injections. They found an
anomaly and checked further. At this point in time I was
not Diabetic. Else they would not have carried out the
procedures.
Then from November to March this year I had to detox
from Tramadol. Then I get told I am diabetic after
loosing nearly a stone in weight and a high percentage
of the tissue in my upper thighs. Imagine that shock
after that lot . And especially since prior to that i
was fortunate to have enjoyed perfect health.
But, the reality is that although I had good health, I
was over weight and I s'pose that had diabetes not come
along, something else might have. At least with this I
have a fighting chance. It could be much worse and the
reality is that I am lucky to have been diagnosed as
early on as I was. That is the main reason that
motivates me I think. I cannot afford to waste the
advantage.
I read your other responses and have a clearer picture
than before. I did not realise you were recovering from
another problem as well. In which case I shall now sit
back and ponder on that for a while. I am not so sure I
could deal with that as well. So it seems a little
stupid of me to have suggested that you were in denial.
You clearly know all about that and have far more to
deal with than I.
Pete
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
LOL Thanks Pete. Just because I am familiar with denial
does not mean that I cannot fall
into
its web again. The one side effect of diabetes that I
have not seen discussed yet in this thread is
_depression_. I think because of the very nature of this
disease and how we must handle it depression is hiding in
the wings all of the
time
just waiting for a chance to pounce on us. Many of us go
through a period
of
depression soon after diagnosis and after that passes
believe we are done with it. Then along comes some sort of
setback and BANG!, there it is
again.
I have been asking myself if I am depressed right now and
if so, how
badly.
These high numbers are certainly worrisome and I think I
am understandably mildly depressed. I will mention that to
the doctor on Friday. Don't want
to
take antidepressants again. Don't care for the side
effects. Most of them kill the libido completely, and for
those of us diabetics that still enjoy and active sex life
we don't care to give it up so easily.
Gotta go watch my wife mow the lawn. Aw, shucks! I'll
probably do some
work
out there too. It is a beautiful 78F and I shouldn't be
here at the
computer.
Thanks again, Pete.
--
Chuck -τΏτ- ~
-- Chuck -τΏτ- ~
Diabetes With People